The Pluralism of Liberty

The concept of individual liberty, consistantly applied, would seem to have pluralistic implications. For it leaves room for anyone to act as they please within the context of voluntary interpersonal relations, and by its very nature a society consists of a plurality of different types of people with a plurality of traits and preferances. Individualism, when applied to an entire society of people, recognizes the high degree of diversity among individuals, that each individual is fundamentally different from the other in some way. On the other hand, collectivism and the fallacy of holism that is often present in sociological analysis views a society as if it were a singular autonamous individual or as if it is unanimous, hence failing to recognize the the inherently plural nature of human interpersonal relations. The abstractions of group identities obscures the individual and the diversity within a given group and creates false dichotomies that pits each respective group against the other.

While all human beings share some fundamental features that define them as human beings, when one looks beyond these fundamental features one finds extreme complexity and variation. Noone's traits, preferances and desires are entirely identical to anyone else's. This is especially true with respect to aesthetic experience and taste. What type of food tastes the best, what kind of music or art is the most pleasing to the eye or ear, which fiction books are the most interesting, which person is the most attractive? These are all questions that each individual may very well have a completely different answer to. There is no real "objective" answer to such questions, and by "objective" I mean universally true irrespective of time or place or context or perspective. Such preferances are inherently not universal and they always change over time. Neither do I think that there is any moral imperative to choose one such preferance over any other. Noone has an obligation to choose Bach over Debussy or Robert Heinline over Isaac Assimov.

Considering the extreme diversity among the personal preferances of human beings, some important questions arise. Does this imply that everyone must inherently conflict with eachother? The short answer is no. The fact that Joe prefers X and Jack prefers Y does not inherently imply that either Joe must enforce their preferance on Jack or vice versa. It is perfectly possible for both Joe and Jack to each get what they want for themselves, especially if each of them has to can produce or obtain what the other wants and make a voluntary exchange of values. Or each of them can individually persue and obtain what they want. The only way in which this can occur, of course, is in the context of voluntary interpersonal relations. One must recognize the liberty of the individual to pursue their own personally preferances and happiness without infringement by others and without infringing on the like liberty of anyone else to do the same. Equality of liberty. Once this basic principle is established, everything else has total free reign, and the outcome will inherently be highly pluralistic in light of the vast diversity between human beings.

What kind of system makes the most sense in consideration of the conflicts of personal preferance between people? A properly formed answer to this question must question one of it's premises in the first place, I.E. the alleged "need" for a singular or universal system. No singular system or central plan can take such a diversity into account. The only thing that can take such diversity into account is a process by which people can voluntarily choose or not choose systems. So the answer does not lie in a particular system but within the broader context of an overall framework in which systems can be experimented with. In short, the answer to the question is: the free market and anarchism, which are essentially the same thing in a certain context. "The free market" and "anarchism" is not a system but a process and framework by which systems are chosen. The idea is that each individual may voluntarily choose what type of associations and organizations they wish to participate in and patronize. Noone may legitimately force their particular prefered kind of association or organization onto anyone else. The moment that one proposes a singular system or plan for an entire society or the entire world, equality of liberty has been breached and the plural nature of humanity isn't properly being taken into account.

If a particular preferance truly is superior, it will prove itself to be superior, not by force but as consequence of competiting on the basis of its own merits. The use of force in such matters to universally coerce an entire society into a given system is the choice of cowards who are not willing to genuinely put their own ideas and preferances to the test. If someone genuinely thinks that their prefered system is optimal, then they should feel no need to resort to coercion to implement their system. The fact that someone wishes to coercively enforce their system onto others would seem to indicate some degree of uncertainty on their own part, a lack of genuine confidence and a reversion to childish means of getting what they want. It also demonstrates a lack of tolerance for the fact that there are other people who disagree, who have different preferances. Those who think that the only option is either coercively imposing their preferances onto others or having other people do the same to them have set up a false dichotomy that ignores the option to simply "live and let live", to allow each individual the liberty to pursue their personal preferances and possibly mutually obtain them. There is no reason why all parties cannot win.

Unless everyone magically became entirely identical or unanimous, which blatantly goes against how individuals actually are and/or work, individual liberty is inherently pluralistic in its implications. Competition and monopoly are opposed in principle. One cannot survive without the elimination of the other. Perhaps what really scares people about individual liberty is the fact that in a free society they indeed would have to be tolerant of the co-existance of people with different preferances and who participate in different kinds of associations and different forms of organization. "Capitalists" are uncomfortable with the prospect of people forming cooperatives or communes, "communists" are uncomfortable with the prospect of people working for wages or engaging in trade for profit, "racists" are uncomfortable with the prospect of people from different races interacting and mixing, and so on and so forth. The true proponent of liberty is perfectly fine with all of it so long as it is within the context of voluntary choice, with equality of liberty. If they are truly are confident in the inefficiency of a particular preferance or mode of organization, they won't think it can possibly survive the competition in the long run anyways.

Subcategories of anarchism such as "anarcho-capitalism", "anarcho-syndicalism", "anarcho-primitivism", and so on, are only genuinely anarchic if the adjectives placed after the "anarcho" are viewed as personal preferances, perhaps that the individual thinks are ultimately the most efficient and sustainable, that they will survive the competition. But the moment that any such adjectives are proposed as universal systems or central plans, the moment that one advocates them as something that everyone must choose or live under, it ceases to be anarchism and reduces to the proposal for a new state. This is why I consider pluralism to be such an important principle with respect to anarchism. The truly consistant proponent of liberty is a pluralist in that they have no problem with the peaceful co-existance of people with different preferances, the co-existance of various associations and organizations or organizational forms. They are keenly aware of the diversity among human beings and have no desire to force them all into a single mold. They support the ability of everyone to foster their own individuality without coercive restraints. In short, they are aware of the pluralism of liberty.

Published Mon, Jul 28 2008 2:56 AM by Brainpolice

Comments

# Jeremy said on 29 July, 2008 06:55 AM

Well said, sir.  I think what the different sub-categories of anarchism need to be are different predictions about how people will act in anarchy - rather than prescriptions for how they must act in order for it to count as anarchy.  Of course, it's even more useful if people treat them as personal preferences - but people have a tendency to universalize their own perspective and experience.  

But I think all anarchists can pretty much agree that no one group's "system" has been tried out, so whatever we want to see in an anarchy, we don't know for sure how it will work out.  In fact, an anarchy will be more likely to lead to genuine social progress and to demonstrate principles of organization and human nature we may not already know since it will deemphasize the contrived, controlled aspects of how we relate in current statist society.  I'd say a genuine anarchist is more interested in learning from what anarchy has to teach him than about dictating how anarchy shall look.

# Cork said on 30 July, 2008 12:29 AM

I think all of us here are pluralists.  Here is the problem, as far as I see it:

Capitalism and corporations (many of them rather large) will be the dominant order, and whatever few communes or cooperatives exist will be very small and probably fail.  I'm not saying this to be mean-spirited, it's just a reality-based assessment of what would probably happen.  

I think the left-anarchists will hate the capitalist order (and the failures of their inefficient alternatives) so intensely that they will quickly abandon any hint of "pluralism."  

I get a lot of guff from other ancaps for being hostile towards left-anarchists, but I have only drawn these conclusions after extensively talking with them, as well as studying historical left-anarchist beliefs, thinkers, and (blood-soaked) "revolutions."  Benjamin Tucker called them a "crazy bunch" for a good reason.  I find that most ancaps who praise them are totally and completely ignorant of their ideas and history.  Some of the atrocities they have committed against innocent people are very appalling.

# Hornshiver said on 30 July, 2008 01:16 AM

Anarcho-communists, often disguised as \"libertarian socialists,\" because of the negative connotations of communism; are vulgar \"libertarians\" as well. Noam Chomsky is a vulgar libertarian. He supports already-existing communism

\"Capitalism and corporations (many of them rather large) will be the dominant order, and whatever few communes or cooperatives exist will be very small and probably fail.\"

Cork, in a free market, small cooperatives and private contractors would flourish because they are exempted from the burdersome regulations involving hiring lawyers and accountants. Just look at how many current individuals are private contractors in the \"developing\" countries. Over 50% of the workers in the informal economy of these nations are self-employed.

\"I think the left-anarchists will hate the capitalist order (and the failures of their inefficient alternatives) so intensely that they will quickly abandon any hint of \"pluralism.\"

Yes, if you mean these confused collectivist-anarchists, then you\'re correct.

However, you got it wrong--individualist anarchists such as market anarchists and mutualists tolerate pluralism. Left-anarchism include left-libertarianism. Therefore, all market anarchists are left-anarchists.

Cork, please stop using the word \"ancap.\" Replace it with \"market anarchism.\" It\'s simple, because using \"ancap\" would confuse mutualists and others. Just use market anarchism to avoid conflicts and knee-jerk reactions.

Yes, anarcho-capitalists, by definition, are all pluralists. But in reality, they are NOT pluralists--because they use political means to concentrate power into a small minoraty--the bureaucrats. Therefore, the anarcho-capitalist _movement_ is NOT pluralistic. Anarcho-capitalists do not tolerate anarcho-communism, because they imposed capitalism by political means that suppresses communism.

What would you feel if anarcho-syndicalists such as Noam Chomsky imposed state-supported reforms to anarchistic communism? They do not support a plural \"capitalist\" order.

Anarcho-syndicalists are just as political as anarcho-capitalists, and by political means each would hold a monopoly ideology over the other. Anarcho-capitalism and anarcho-syndicalism are right-leaning. Thus, both of these ideologies are mutually exclusive, and do not support pluralism--they are both competing for political power.

# Hornshiver said on 30 July, 2008 01:50 AM

Cork, also see my article of how I oppose collectivist-anarchism: anarcho-freemarketeerism.blogspot.com/.../everyone-should-keep-their-full-fruits.html

Remember that you commented on my blog about supporting the legal privileges such as corporations?

propertarianism.blogspot.com/.../arrogant-left-libertarians.html

I have since refuted my comment, and see these links disproving that cooperatives are inefficient: www.springerlink.com/.../4158328870221052

rrp.sagepub.com/.../45

rrp.sagepub.com/.../44

"Corporations" and workers' self-management overlap. Suppose a cooperative democratically elects the managers of the cooperative. The manager of the co-op is similar to the manager of a corporation. These overlap. (please avoid the term "corporation" because it's defined as a legal recognition by the state including limited liability which cannot be protected by contracts for torts)

# Cork said on 30 July, 2008 10:11 AM

Hornshiver,

<i>"Cork, in a free market, small cooperatives and private contractors would flourish because they are exempted from the burdersome regulations involving hiring lawyers and accountants."</i>

Possibly, but I doubt it.  The lack of regulation would have companies buying eachother out like crazy.  It would certainly be easier to start small businesses, but let's not forget that it would also be easier to create big businesses as well.

If you're right and everything is small, so be it.  I don't care one way or another.  I'm just giving my own prediction.

<i>"Remember that you commented on my blog about supporting the legal privileges such as corporations?"</i>

Sorry, limited liability is not any kind of "privilege," legal or otherwise.  Stephan Kinsella has long since put a bullet in that puppy's head.

<i>I have since refuted my comment, and see these links disproving that cooperatives are inefficient"</i>

The first one from a journal called "Social Justice Research?"  ROFL.  That sounds impartial, doesn't it?

# Cork said on 30 July, 2008 10:38 AM

"Yes, anarcho-capitalists, by definition, are all pluralists. But in reality, they are NOT pluralists--because they use political means to concentrate power into a small minoraty--the bureaucrats."

Definitely not following you here.

"Anarcho-capitalists do not tolerate anarcho-communism, because they imposed capitalism by political means that suppresses communism."

Who says we won't tolerate communes? We wpuld obviously allow them, it's just that they would fail miserably, because that's just what they do.  That's what pisses them off.

"Anarcho-capitalism and anarcho-syndicalism are right-leaning."

Anarcho-syndicalism is right-leaning?  Right...

# Hornshiver said on 30 July, 2008 01:46 PM

"We wpuld obviously allow them, it's just that they would fail miserably, because that's just what they do."

You're correct that both large and small businesses would flourish. I said that employer-managed firms are the same thing as worker-managed firms. Worker-managed firms just elect the manager, similar to workers choosing to work for an employee is similar to electing the employer. In a free market, worker-managed co-ops are virtually the same thing as employer-managed co-ops.

"Sorry, limited liability is not any kind of "privilege," legal or otherwise.  Stephan Kinsella has long since put a bullet in that puppy's head."

Torts are also protected by limited liability. Suppose a retail store that is protected by limited liability building collapses and injures may people. Individuals do not have any contract with the store. If an airplane collapses and crashes other people, it is a tort that is protected by limited liability.

Stephan Kinsella wrote on his blog that he is inexperienced of whether or not limited liability applies for torts. He said "limited liability is propbably not protected for torts, and shouldn't be." His last phrase "shouldn't be" means that his first phrase is unsure. In reality, limited liability is protected from torts, and that is why limited liability is a privilege.

"As for tort liability--well, I am not aware of corporate law limiting the liability of any person, shareholder or otherwise, for torts he commits."

blog.mises.org/.../004269.asp

Stephan Kinsella is unaware of the law, and his is speculating. He is wrong. Limited liability IS IN FACT protected for torts.

"Who says we won't tolerate communes? We wpuld obviously allow them, it's just that they would fail miserably, because that's just what they do.  That's what pisses them off."

All anarcho-capitalists tolerate communes. I always tolerate communes, and I also identify as an anarcho-capitalist. THE STUPID "LEFT-LIBERTARIANS" THINK THAT ANCAPS ARE INTOLERANT TO VOLUNTARY COMMUNIST COMMUNES.

By my definition of "anarcho-capitalism" is different. Just avoid the word anarcho-capitalism. You confuse the so-called "left-libertarians." Capitalism is a synonym for state-capitalism. By definition, anarcho-capitalism means state-based reforms to capitalism. Therefore the state-capitalist aspect of anarcho-capitalism is incompatible to anarcho-communism.

According to Karl Hess' definition of left and right, the left means concentration of power to many as you can, and the right means concentration of power to a single person. Therefore, political libertarianism is right-leaning and apolitical libertarianism is left-leaning. Political libertarianism is right-wing because it concentrates power to the bureaucrats.

I also disagree with many of the left-libertarians. All left-libertarians are free-market libertarians, though left-libertarians HATE free-market libertarians. They are semantic nit-picky. They like to revert back to the original definition of capitalism. Just avoid using capitalism so the retarded left-libertarians would not confuse you. And also avoid playing the semantic game.

Anarcho-communism HATE private property and they HATE voluntary association. They advocate violence to steal your property.

I HATE ANARCHO-COLLECTIVISTS, AND IT IS NOT JUST SEMANTIC. THE RETARDED ANARCHO-COLLECTIVISTS ARE STUPID.

# Cork said on 30 July, 2008 07:00 PM

"If an airplane collapses and crashes other people, it is a tort that is protected by limited liability."

Then how are all these wacky lawsuits coming about?!

<url>www.msnbc.msn.com/.../url>

"Stephan Kinsella wrote on his blog that he is inexperienced of whether or not limited liability applies for torts."

We live in a country where an old woman sued McDonald's for serving her coffee that was hot...and won.  I'm not any kind of legal expert, but the whole claim (that the state forcibly prevents you from suing individuals who harm you) sounds like bs.

"All anarcho-capitalists tolerate communes. I always tolerate communes, and I also identify as an anarcho-capitalist. THE STUPID "LEFT-LIBERTARIANS" THINK THAT ANCAPS ARE INTOLERANT TO VOLUNTARY COMMUNIST COMMUNES."

LOL.  Yep, you hit the nail on the head.  In fact, I agree with most of the rest of your post.  I even considered myself a left-Rothbardian at one time, because of Hess' definition of the spectrum.  Nowadays I think the whole 'left-libertarian' fad is just kind of asinine.

# Hornshiver said on 30 July, 2008 09:22 PM

"I'm not any kind of legal expert, but the whole claim (that the state forcibly prevents you from suing individuals who harm you) sounds like bs."

Wow, I don't think you actually know what "limited liability" is. Limiled liability isn't protection from getting sued, but it is protecting shareholders from debt. Shareholders still have an incentive to prevent losses.

# Cork said on 30 July, 2008 10:40 PM

"Limiled liability isn't protection from getting sued, but it is protecting shareholders from debt."

Well duh.  You were the one who switched the subject to torts, remember?  If you're not denying that people are held liable for torts, then I'm not sure what you're arguing.

# Cork said on 30 July, 2008 10:55 PM

All these arguments against corporations are refuted pretty well here:

anti-state.com/article.php

# Cork said on 30 July, 2008 11:18 PM

Let me be a little bit more clear, here.  If you can show me a situation where:

1)  *All* shareholders were liable for a tort

and

2)  The injured party was unable to sue them for the full extent of the damage because of limited liability

then I'll shut up and admit you're right.

# Cork said on 31 July, 2008 12:04 AM

Ok, after doing more research, I've come to mixed conclusions.  It probably depends on the situation, but in some circumstances, you might actually be right about the torts.  My bad.

# Cork said on 31 July, 2008 12:26 AM

I hate to keep leaving comments (though I'm sure Brainpolice doesn't mind ;), but this is a subject that interests me.  According to Michael Rozeff,

"If [a company] puts out a drug that unintentionally harms people, they or their survivors can sue the company but not the stockholders or manager-owners of the company."

I was not aware of this.  Is this in fact true?  Under all circumstances?  I was always under the impression that one can sue the *individuals* responsible (who wouldn't have limited liability) and not worry.  Very interesting.  I would have to admit that this is indeed a legal privilege if ture.

# Brainpolice said on 31 July, 2008 03:58 PM

That is exactly why I'm opposed to it. It shields the individual from responsibility.

# Cork said on 31 July, 2008 05:48 PM

Well, at least for some kinds of torts (assuming that info is true).  All the rest of it can be done through contract.  Corporations would still basically exist.  But their liability would not be limited to their assets in tort suits.

# Hornshiver said on 31 July, 2008 06:48 PM

There exists a grey area that does not differentiate torts and contracts. For instance, when a skyscraper collapses and injures third parties who did not see their limited liability sign, the company would privilege. Also, it is impossible for someone who has a visual deficit to see an implicit limited liability agreement when going to a retail store. Should the retail store building collapse, the person would be injured by the company.

"Corporations would still basically exist."

A corporation, by definition, is a legal entity recognized and heavily regulated by the state. By definition, a corporation has limited liability. "Corporations" and stock markets would be much more different in anarchy than they would current function, as there would be no rules and standards pertaining to the transactions. The legal requirements and the hierarchical structure involving directors and executive officers would not be dictated by the state, thus in anarchy, companies would amass in the most optimal and efficient order. In addition, the elimination of legal compliance costs, which are highly regressive, would hinder the artificial scale efficiencies of larger companies, thus motivating them to split into smaller entities. Corporations, according to the legal definition, would not exist in a free market.

# Cork said on 31 July, 2008 08:44 PM

"Corporations, according to the legal definition, would not exist in a free market."

We seem to agree that limited liability can be created through contract (except for some kinds of torts).  That's all I mean when I say corporations would still basically exist.  Obviously they would not exist as they currently do (with state regulation/privilege), just as marriage would not exist as it currently does.

# Hornshiver said on 01 August, 2008 03:50 PM

"Obviously they would not exist as they currently do (with state regulation/privilege), just as marriage would not exist as it currently does."

Corporations are always defined as state privileges such as limited liability. They would not exist without a state. Corporations would be replaced by cooperatives, companies, firms, partnerships, sole properitorships, etc. in a free market.

How would you tell if a consumer actually agreed to the limited liability sign? Individuals must sign an agreement that the company is limited in liability for them to establish limited liability. However, in the real world, corporations are protected by limited liability no matter if the consumer actually agreed to it.

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# Cork said on 04 August, 2008 12:51 AM

"However, in the real world, corporations are protected by limited liability no matter if the consumer actually agreed to it."

I do not know to what extent this is true and would have to look into it further.  I am pretty sure that it is legal to simply sue the individual(s) responsible in many cases, rather than the company that has limited liability. However I am not 100% on what the current laws say for which circumstances.  

But the big part of "limited liability" that left-libertarians usually complain about is the part that can be done through contract.  Whenever I call them on it, left-libertarians generally resort to censoring and deleting my posts--excluding Brainpolice, who is an exception.

# Hornshiver said on 05 August, 2008 02:09 PM

"However I am not 100% on what the current laws say for which circumstances."

Current laws already violate contractual limited liability. They are not contracts.

"But the big part of "limited liability" that left-libertarians usually complain about is the part that can be done through contract."

The left supports equality of power. All Rothbardians are leftists, because they oppose the inequalities of  of power like the vast inequalities of wealth of the central banks and capitalists.

Vulgar libertarians are rightists because they support inequality of power through the elimination of minimum wage and welfare. Mainstream libertarians such as Bob Barr are vulgar libertarians, therefore classified as rightists. They are unaware of the root causes of inequality such as regulatory capture and corporate welfare. Even though they explicitly oppose "corporate welfare," they support regulations such as intellectual property laws which are corporate welfare.

"But the big part of "limited liability" that left-libertarians usually complain about is the part that can be done through contract."

Yes, it can be done through contract. However, currently the corporations are protected even though there is no agreement.

"But the big part of "limited liability" that left-libertarians usually complain about is the part that can be done through contract."

Seems very collectivist. You seem to generalize that all left-libertarians complain about limited liability.

"Whenever I call them on it, left-libertarians generally resort to censoring and deleting my posts--excluding Brainpolice, who is an exception."

Some people are retarded.

# Cork said on 06 August, 2008 12:11 AM

"All Rothbardians are leftists, because they oppose the inequalities of  of power like the vast inequalities of wealth of the central banks and capitalists."

In that case, I'm a leftist because I oppose the excessive levels of inequality created by corporate statism (and am greeted by yawns when I tell "anarcho"-communists that.)  

I have even said that certain capitalist transactions/relations can be authoritarian and exploitative, even *without* the state propping them up (more yawns and jeers from the left-anarchists).  I feel that a free society can find ways to deal with these situations when they arise.

Benjamin Tucker is one of my favorite anarchists--possibly my number one favorite.  I called myself a left-Rothbardian for a while (still kind of am).

Unfortunately, "left-libertarianism" has become a circus.  "Vulgar libertarian" has come to mean anyone who opposes the welfare state or regulation.  Anyone who doesn't want a luddite economy run by tiny worker co-ops is a corporate shill, according the left-libertarians.

Even Tucker did not seem to get what was so great about worker co-ops (he denied that employment was wrong).  If he was alive today, he would by quickly dismissed as a "vulgar libertarian," by the left-libertarians.

# Hornshiver said on 08 August, 2008 02:10 AM

"Libertarian" "socialism" is neither libertarian nor socialist, just like "anarcho"-communism is not anarchism. Mordern "leftists" are not left, and neither are the "left"-communists and "left" anarchists. Market anarchism is a true leftist ideology.

Market anarchists are radical left-wing individuals. Their positions on workers' rights, intellectual "property," globalization and corporations are the same as the radical left. Opposing welfare while defending the current corporate capitalist state is identical to those views of the fiscal conservatives. Their fascist views on opposing welfare while preserving the status quo implies more inequality. Conservativism is equivalently evil as Nazism and Stalinism. They fight wars and directly murder innocent individuals like totalitarianism.

Anarcho-capitalists may not oppose voluntary socialist organizations; they just think that these organizations wouldn't exist in a free market. This is similar to the views of Proudhon and Tucker that interest and rent wouldn't exist in a free market but they do not oppose them. But socialism has many benefits in anarchy. People may join cooperatively controlled private defense agencies, as these may be safer than those who are controlled by a single capitalist.

# Hornshiver said on 08 August, 2008 10:49 AM

I am outraged by these irrational left-libertarians and vulgar "libertarians". Assume that they are all losers and do not try to "confront" them. If you try to question their ideas, then they would perceive that you are trolling and threatening and they would shoot and kill you for "trespassing" their blogs. These leftists are just as stupid and immoral as rightists, and never understands that they are the stupid ones. Everyone's irrational. Mises' utilitarianism, Rothbard's defense for corporations, the leftist emotional rambling and rightists overreliance on a priori assumptions is evidence that you should not confront them.

# Cork said on 12 August, 2008 11:17 PM

Hornshiver,

I have enjoyed talking to you.  I don't want to clog up Brainpolice's blog, so if you want to continue discussing things, just go to mine at corktageous.blogspot.com

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