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THE WORLD'S HARDEST AUSTRIAN ECONOMICS PROBLEM

 

THE WORLD'S HARDEST AUSTRIAN ECONOMICS PROBLEM

by Don Lloyd

 For background :

http://mises.org/journals/aen/aen21_3_1.pdf

REISMAN: If you open up the hood of an automobile, you see a number of individual parts that disable the entire car if they are broken. There’s a fan belt, a carburetor, a starter, among many other items.There’s no way that you can derive the value of those items from the value of the car, because you would have to attribute the entire value of the car over and over again. When you go to the car-parts store to buy another fan belt, you only pay a tiny fraction of the utility that you derive from it. You pay $20, but it restores the entire value of a $20,000 car. In this case, the value of the car is not imputed back to a part that makes it run. You are only paying a price based on the cost of production of the belt. What determines the cost of production is the value of alternative marginal products elsewhere in the economy.

While the above is primarily concerned with factor pricing, the following problem concentrates on the value of a component to the buyer, which cannot exist without a valued assembly and a valued end for which the assembly serves as a means.

On a business trip, you have left your two year old car in the airport lot. When you return you find a note on the car that indicates that the fan belt has been auto-parts-napped and is being held for ransom.

On your personal subjective value scale, the end that the car serves, auto-mobility, is presently ranked just above the sum of $20,000. For simplicity, assume that this remains true throughout this problem. (To illustrate one possibility, before you consulted the market two years ago, you ranked auto-mobility just above $30,000. However, the market caused you to rearrange your value scale, dropping the ranking nearly down to the $25,000 price of a suitable new car, one of which you purchased. Of course, this $25,000 is now a sunk cost and has no involvement with this problem. Today, used car equivalents to yours sell for as little as $20,000, fixing auto-mobility on your value scale. See note below.)

The initial problem is to describe in words how you would come up with a maximum dollar amount that you would be willing to pay in ransom for restoration of the fan belt and car function. Again for simplicity, assume that no fan belts are available, nor can any be fabricated, and thus the market cannot directly rearrange the ranking of a fan belt on your value scale.

The second problem is to repeat the first with an EFI (Electronic Fuel Injection) module substituted for the fan belt.

The third problem is to repeat the first with an EFI module being held for ransom along with the fan belt.

end problem

 

Note:

That is to say, opportunities for exchanging induce the individual to rearrange his scales of values. A person in whose scale of values the commodity 'a cask of wine' comes after the commodity 'a sack of oats' will reverse their order if he can exchange a cask of wine in the market for a commodity that he values more highly than a sack of oats. The position of commodities in the value-scales of individuals is no longer determined solely by their own subjective use-value, but also by the subjective use-value of the commodities that can be obtained in exchange for them, whenever the latter stand higher than the former in the estimation of the individual. Therefore, if he is to obtain the maximum utility from his resources, the individual must familiarize himself with all the prices in the market. -- Mises, The Theory of Money and Credit, page 48.

Comments will be moderated and any that would spoil the problem prematurely will be delayed.

 

BTW, somehow the tags 'factor' and 'wages' got attached to this post. I didn't enter any tags and these two have nothing to do with the post and can't be editted out.

 

 


Posted Fri, Feb 20 2009 7:41 PM by Don Lloyd

Comments

Don Lloyd wrote re: THE WORLD'S HARDEST AUSTRIAN ECONOMICS PROBLEM
on Mon, Feb 23 2009 7:35 AM

Progress report --

After 60 hours and 244 problem views, there have been no problem solutions advanced, either right or wrong, and no comments have been blocked by the moderation requirement.

As a quasi-hint, there is nothing esoteric about the problem, and once the answer is suggested, it would be obvious to almost everyone.

Regards, Don

MegasAlexandros wrote re: THE WORLD'S HARDEST AUSTRIAN ECONOMICS PROBLEM
on Mon, Feb 23 2009 4:53 PM

One would be willing to offer a sum of money that is equal to the cost of gaining the benefits of the next best alternative. If the next best alternative is employing a taxi and the taxi trips totaled $10,000, then one would be willing to pay up to $10,000 in ransom.Likewise, if the taxi trips totaled $40,000 then one would still be willing to pay up to $40,000 in ransom. The retail value of the car is completely irrelevant. All that matters is the opportunity cost.

Note: one would also have to factor in non-monetary benefits and then attempt to attribute a dollar amount to those benefits. Since the question did not provide data for non-monetary benefits they were ignored in the answer. Non-monetary benefits might include: not having to wait for the taxi to arrive, enjoyment derived from driving ones self, status symbol of having a nice car, etc.

DL (in place reply) --

Megas,

Although most of what you say  is true, it is already accounted for in the personal value scale. The $35,000 in my illustration would be larger or smaller if the expected outlays for taxis were larger or smaller.

The retail prices matter because the market can cause you to rearrange your value scale. You wouldn't spend $35,000 for a car even if it could be justified if a car were available on the market for $20,000. Your actual actions must be consistent with your value scale, which must include non-monetary benefits when appropriate.

Thanks, Don

 

ProudCapitalist wrote re: THE WORLD'S HARDEST AUSTRIAN ECONOMICS PROBLEM
on Mon, Feb 23 2009 5:51 PM

I would consider the alternatives of the auto-parts-napper. What is the fan-belt without car worth to him?

I'd bid $1 above that in order to create a win-win situation!

DL --

PC,  The problem will be that you don't know his value and have no way of guaranteeing that he will act accordingly. Even if you know that the fan belt has a value of  $x to him, he may still turn down x+1 or even 2x. Then you are much worse off with no fan belt.

Regards, Don

 

ProudCapitalist wrote re: THE WORLD'S HARDEST AUSTRIAN ECONOMICS PROBLEM
on Mon, Feb 23 2009 7:02 PM

I'm not very academic, so I don't really want to make a fool out of myself, nor disrupt your discussion here.

But I'm wondering if there isn't a symmetry between his fan belt without car, and my car without fan belt? If it is argued that I should be prepared to pay $20,000 for the fan belt, then why wouldn't the other guy be prepared to pay me $20,000 for the rest of my car?

Is the question really:

"How do holders of complementary goods agree on a price?"

DL --

PC, 

With qualifications, I agree on the symmetry logic.

Regards, Don

 

Geoff wrote re: THE WORLD'S HARDEST AUSTRIAN ECONOMICS PROBLEM
on Tue, Feb 24 2009 2:53 PM

Don,

I need some clarification. Is it understood that all parts of the car are unique to that car and all remaining parts hold no value to anyone other than the owner of that specific car? For example, my engine would be of no value to anyone else.

Thanks,

Geoff

DL --

Geoff, 

No, there is no implication of any such understanding.

Regards, Don

 

D Davis wrote re: THE WORLD'S HARDEST AUSTRIAN ECONOMICS PROBLEM
on Tue, Feb 24 2009 5:10 PM

Assuming that paying the ransom for the part is the only way that I can can again engage in auto-mobility, then the maximum dollar amount that I'd be willing to pay in ransom for restoration of the fan belt and car function is the the opportunity cost I'd incur by having to forgo the use of the car, or 20,000, whichever is lower, and I won't know that until I start walking . . .   :)

Without my knowing his opportunity cost for not selling me back the part, I can assume that the minimum dollar amount he will accept will be at or about his opportunity cost for holding it.  I'll know what that is once I start bidding (starting at .01 cent and raising my bid till it's either accepted or we hit my threshold).

Where his opportunity cost for holding onto the part and my opportunity cost for choosing to walk interest is where the part will be handed over, if at all . . .

I typed that really fast, so it may not fully convey what I'm thinking . . .

but the crux of answering the problem lies in knowing what the opportunity cost for the thief (his next best use) is.

There's not much difference between a thief and an autoparts store, if the autoparts store has a monopoly on any one part.

DL --

DD,

Setting aside your first paragraph, I disagree with your concentration on the partsnapper.  That's a different problem where you are, in part, tryihng to get the better of the partsnapper. There could be such a problem, but my model would be that the partsnapper makes a one time ransom demand, and after solving this problem you know whether to accept or reject., depending on whether you are better or worse off.

Regards, Don

 

Wes wrote re: THE WORLD'S HARDEST AUSTRIAN ECONOMICS PROBLEM
on Tue, Feb 24 2009 6:24 PM

To come up with the maximum dollar amount for the fan belt, I'd try and determine how much the rest of my car either stripped to it's parts or minus the fan belt and sold would be worth. Then I would subtract that amount from the replacement cost for an equivalent car and whatever cost I attributed to finding that new car (maybe I like car shopping, maybe I hate it, maybe an equivalent car will be easy/quick to find and maybe it will be difficult).  I'd also consider my opportunity cost for going around selling all of these car parts or hiring a tow truck to take my car to a dealer and all of that jazz. Whichever number was lower (maybe the opportunity cost of going out and picking a new car makes that whole parts operation cost more expensive than it's worth) would be my price.

If they're both over $20k, as long as the opportunity cost - sale value of stripping the car apart or selling it isn't negative, I do that an start walking. If it is negative, I just start walking (maybe I buy a non-automotive form of transporation).

I feel like my answer is probably wrong because the 2 subsequent problems are then really easy (it just changes the amount of money I get selling the car). The hard part about this was holding to the constraint that there was no way to replace my fan belt or EFI otherwise.

DL --

Wes, Try simplifying your answer and give what would seem to be reasonable sounding dollar amounts for the three problems.

Regards, Don

Brian Macker wrote re: THE WORLD'S HARDEST AUSTRIAN ECONOMICS PROBLEM
on Tue, Feb 24 2009 8:06 PM

He's just going to steal the fan belt again if you pay the ransom.  So better to just shoot him.

DL --

Brian,

Only if you leave your car in the airport lot again and tell him about it.

Regards, Don

 

ProudCapitalist wrote re: THE WORLD'S HARDEST AUSTRIAN ECONOMICS PROBLEM
on Tue, Feb 24 2009 10:31 PM

There are so very many things fundamentally logically WRONG with this "question" that I'd rather would want to call it:

THE WORLDS *EASIEST* AUSTRIAN ECONOMICS PROBLEM!

To begin with, the THEFT of the fan belt violates the axioms of Austrian Economics.Anyone investing in his car would have assumed that his property rights in the same would be respected. So much so that he didn't even get an insurance against theft although he knew that his fan belt is irreplacably unique for his usage of his expensive car.

I'd think that anyone who assumes *all that* is simply a little bit, well, not so very fast in his head. But that's just what I'd think...

So the whole "problem" here is kind of logically identical to the "problem" of what Marxism would have been if Marx would have been Mises... Was either of them a good car mechanics?

Austrian Analysis by Anecdote wrote REPEAT OF AUSTRIAN ECONOMIC PROBLEM PLUS SOLUTION
on Thu, Feb 26 2009 4:02 PM
Don Lloyd wrote re: THE WORLD'S HARDEST AUSTRIAN ECONOMICS PROBLEM
on Thu, Feb 26 2009 4:12 PM

A repeat of the problem statement and the solution has been published at :

mises.org/.../repeat-of-austrian-economic-problem-plus-solution.aspx

Most of the comments were in the right direction, but Wes's comment seemed to be right on the money, so to speak.

Thanks for your interest, Don

Ben Hoskin wrote re: THE WORLD'S HARDEST AUSTRIAN ECONOMICS PROBLEM
on Thu, Mar 12 2009 2:42 PM

I suspect this is wrong, becuase it seems too obveous, but would it not be

Max price <  [marginal utility of transport] + [market price of car-fan belt]

assuming transaction costs are negligible. If you don't like this assumption, they nmake little difference.