Free Capitalist Network - Community Archive
Mises Community Archive
An online community for fans of Austrian economics and libertarianism, featuring forums, user blogs, and more.

Can you decipher Marx?

rated by 0 users
Answered (Not Verified) This post has 0 verified answers | 11 Replies | 2 Followers

Top 25 Contributor
Male
4,850 Posts
Points 85,810
Andrew Cain posted on Wed, Oct 7 2009 8:28 AM

'The monetary system is essentially a Catholic institution. the credit system essentially Protestant. "The Scotch hate gold." In the form of paper the monetary existence of commodities is only a social one. It is Faith that brings salvation. Faith in money-value as the immanent spirit of commodities, faith in the mode of production and its predestined order, faith in the individual agents of production as mere personifications of self-expanding capital. But the credit system does not emancipate itself from the basis of the monetary system any more than Protestantism has emancipated itself from the foundations of Catholicism'

 

The following is a quote from Marx's Capital Vol. III

Do you possess the ability to decifer Marx?

 


'Men do not change, they unmask themselves' - Germaine de Stael

 

  • | Post Points: 110

All Replies

Top 25 Contributor
Male
4,249 Posts
Points 70,775

He's saying paper money [=credit] is intrinsically worthless, but only works cause people have confidence in the country printing it. However ultimately paper money relies on real solid gold. he doesn't explain why.

The religious mumbo jumbo is just a poetic image that doesnt mean anything

My humble blog

It's easy to refute an argument if you first misrepresent it. William Keizer

  • | Post Points: 20
Top 75 Contributor
Male
1,129 Posts
Points 16,635

So I suppose he's suggesting all monetary exchange should be in actual commodities and not money. And if he's against that to, then we're relying on double-conincidence barter. But then again, there is no barter since there is no provate property.

...How does socialism work, again?

  • | Post Points: 5
Top 200 Contributor
Male
478 Posts
Points 9,180

This appears to be just another capitalism = religion Marx quote. Much like postponing purchases, savings, and enduring exploitation is supposed to bring prosperity under capitalism, suffering through life brings salvation in the afterlife.

In short, for Marx, capitalism is the secular equivalent of religion.

Austrians do it a priori

Irish Liberty Forum 

 

  • | Post Points: 5
Top 50 Contributor
Male
2,255 Posts
Points 36,010
Moderator

Odd, if I read this correctly, he compared the monetary system to something based off of faith, and then compared it to Catholocism.  If that is the case, "faith alone" (sola fide) is a Protestant doctrine not a Catholic one.  So he may have made an error, unless I read it wrong.

"I am not an ego along with other egos, but the sole ego: I am unique. Hence my wants too are unique, and my deeds; in short, everything about me is unique" Max Stirner
  • | Post Points: 5
Top 10 Contributor
Male
5,538 Posts
Points 93,790
Juan replied on Wed, Oct 7 2009 4:28 PM
Do you possess the ability to decipher Marx?
That ability is the same ability needed to read tea leaves. In other words, marx was a charlatan.

February 17 - 1600 - Giordano Bruno is burnt alive by the catholic church.
Aquinas : "much more reason is there for heretics, as soon as they are convicted of heresy, to be not only excommunicated but even put to death."

  • | Post Points: 5
Top 25 Contributor
3,415 Posts
Points 56,650
filc replied on Wed, Oct 7 2009 6:10 PM

I am hoping that at some point you will grace us with your insight Laughing Man. I for one eagerly await your explanation. :)

  • | Post Points: 5
Top 10 Contributor
7,105 Posts
Points 115,240
ForumsAdministrator
Moderator
SystemAdministrator
Suggested by DanielMuff

I can translate it no problem:

Bungabunga, foursquare meals a day bring your own unicorn. jiggabong. Hark! I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that.  10001001110101, x1314ftyyhfh, said the maple to the airhostess.

 

hurray for Marx!

Where there is no property there is no justice; a proposition as certain as any demonstration in Euclid

Fools! not to see that what they madly desire would be a calamity to them as no hands but their own could bring

  • | Post Points: 5
Top 50 Contributor
Male
2,255 Posts
Points 36,010
Moderator

If anyone is genuinley interested in understanding Capital Vol III, instead of just ridiculing Marx, this may be of some value:

http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1894-c3/editorial/guide.htm

"I am not an ego along with other egos, but the sole ego: I am unique. Hence my wants too are unique, and my deeds; in short, everything about me is unique" Max Stirner
  • | Post Points: 20
Top 10 Contributor
Male
11,343 Posts
Points 194,945
ForumsAdministrator
Moderator
SystemAdministrator

Dondoolee:
If anyone is genuinley interested in understanding Capital Vol III, instead of just ridiculing Marx

Killjoy.

"When you're young you worry about people stealing your ideas, when you're old you worry that they won't." - David Friedman
  • | Post Points: 20
Top 25 Contributor
Male
4,850 Posts
Points 85,810

I've been reading Marxism Unmasked by Ludwig von Mises and it is rather good [ though disorganized because it is from a series of lectures ] but one of his chapters ended with this quote by Marx and Mises justly declared it nonsensical. I just wanted to see what others thought of it.

'Men do not change, they unmask themselves' - Germaine de Stael

 

  • | Post Points: 20
Top 10 Contributor
7,105 Posts
Points 115,240
ForumsAdministrator
Moderator
SystemAdministrator

Laughing Man:
Mises justly declared it nonsensical.
wow, so I'm in good company! nice to know...

Where there is no property there is no justice; a proposition as certain as any demonstration in Euclid

Fools! not to see that what they madly desire would be a calamity to them as no hands but their own could bring

  • | Post Points: 5
Page 1 of 1 (12 items) | RSS