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Classic Liberalism vs. Anarcho-Capitalism - Hans-Hermann Hoppe Quebecois Libre interview

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liberty student Posted: Fri, Sep 25 2009 12:10 AM

Courtesy LRC

HANS-HERMANN HOPPE ON WAR, TERRORISM, AND THE WORLD STATE

Libertarians must develop a clear class consciousness, not in the Marxian sense, but in the sense of recognizing that there exists a clear distinction between taxpayers (the exploited) and tax consumers (the exploiters).

Good read for people new to ancap, or on the fence between ancap and minarchism.

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Conza88 replied on Fri, Sep 25 2009 12:35 AM

Marxist and Austrian Class Analysis (audio)

http://mises.org/journals/jls/9_2/9_2_5.pdf

Ron Paul is for self-government when compared to the Constitution. He's an anarcho-capitalist. Proof.
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scineram replied on Fri, Sep 25 2009 4:22 AM

liberty student:
there exists a clear distinction between taxpayers (the exploited) and tax consumers (the exploiters).

Too bad there is not.

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good interview.  I particularly liked this part:

"Accordingly, instead of admiring them or seeking their association, politicians (and the more so the higher their rank) should be treated with contempt and as the butt of all jokes, as emperors without clothes."

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scineram:

liberty student:
there exists a clear distinction between taxpayers (the exploited) and tax consumers (the exploiters).

Too bad there is not.

It is, to an honest man.

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scineram replied on Fri, Sep 25 2009 11:04 AM

So which one does he belong to?

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scineram:
So which one does he belong to?

Ask him yourself.  And stop trolling.

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scineram replied on Fri, Sep 25 2009 11:18 AM

Just asked you a question. How am I trolling?

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Wouldn't Ben Bernanke technically be one of the exploited?

 

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Eric replied on Fri, Sep 25 2009 12:15 PM

GilesStratton:
Wouldn't Ben Bernanke technically be one of the exploited?

What makes you think this?

But anyways, I don't think dividing people into tax consumers and taxpayers is the way to go. I just see too many potential problems with this type of class analysis. For starters, one can be a net tax consumer due to minimum wage laws. These people are "exploited" just as much as any taxpayer, and it is unfair to call them parasites. In many cases there are businesses which would not exist without government intervention in the economy. Are employees of these businesses net tax consumers or net taxpayers? I have many more objections that I don't feel like listing...

But I do think there is a divide between the exploiters and the exploited. I just don't think net tax consumer vs. net taxpayer is the best idea.

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GilesStratton:
Wouldn't Ben Bernanke technically be one of the exploited?

Why?  His entire career has been based off rent seeking.

 

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Juan replied on Fri, Sep 25 2009 3:29 PM
Come on. Bernanke is a poor victim of the system. Or maybe not because there are no such things as good and evil, force and fraud and morality.

Well either Bernanke is innocent as a lamb, or morality is irrelevant.

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Juan:


Well either Bernanke is innocent as a lamb, or morality is irrelevant.

False dilemma, even though I agree Bernanke is not innocent.

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Juan replied on Fri, Sep 25 2009 4:15 PM
Maybe my sarcasm wasn't that good =P ? I purposely left out the correct option - Bernanke is not innocent...

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