I've finally given up after searching for 4-5 months, I can't say I didn't try hard. Its ridiculous, I looked everywhere and there isn't anything new. All I can do is fucking sit here an d wait until employers are willing to hire people my age which is a year from now when the Economy has recovered. Its annoying as all hell, there's nothing I can do about bettering my chances of employment when all I have is a High School Diploma.
Getting jobs is very competitive here, it feels like if you want the reward of buying something with your hard work you need to be really lucky or have opportunities through your parents. The min. wage here is 7.25/Ho. Which is also because the cost of living here in Connecticut is extremely high.
It really sucks seeing all your friends buy everything they want, even if they aren't happy with the jobs. I am not going to be able to buy new video games coming out, or better musician equipment. My anger is almost big enough to make me say Socialism is a solution to this by forcing employers to hire people and cut back on other expenses in their budgets. "People before profits" right?
Democracy for Breakfast: My anger is almost big enough to make me say Socialism is a solution to this by forcing employers to hire people and cut back on other expenses in their budgets. "People before profits" right?
1) If employers cut back on other expenses, then the companies that supply those goods and services that are being cut will suffer. Remeber, there is the "seen" and the "unseen."2) How will socialism be better?3) Sell on eBay.4) Do random jobs, for example, carrying your neighbor's groceries into her home.
To paraphrase Marc Faber: We're all doomed, but that doesn't mean that we can't make money in the process. Rabbi Lapin: "Let's make bricks!" Stephan Kinsella: "Say you and I both want to make a German chocolate cake."
Heaps of work out there if you are willing to hustle. There always is. The problem is, if you don't have any productive advantages over general labour, then you will have to work hard and cheap. Connecticut sounds like opportunities for snow clearing soon.
Instead of being frustrated try to be positive. No one gets anything done when they are frustrated.
Democracy for Breakfast:My anger is almost big enough to make me say Socialism is a solution to this by forcing employers to hire people and cut back on other expenses in their budgets.
When firms start to cut employees, that means there is no work for them. If there was work, firms would hire workers, particularly with labour costs getting cheaper. Firms make more money when they have more workers doing more work, not less workers doing less work.
You want a job. Enough apparently to debate having the state force someone to hire you, even if they don't have work for you. It would be like the state forcing your family to take on another person (or a couple persons) to clothe, feed and house.
I am jealous. If I had time to study more and gain a degree or certification, I would consider the effort invaluable.
Perhaps your standards are too high?
If there are no jobs to be found, entreprenuership is a noble venture. Make a business model and pursue a loan. The entrepreneur must first ask; "what kind of laws must I contend with, and where will I get the capital?" The damned interventionist market stifles job growth, and enterprise.
I think a real labour theory of value would say that anything worth having is worth working for, and say nothing else.
If you want better musical equipment use your computer? "Tis the poor carpenter who lays blame upon his tools." Perhaps just spend that vast amount of free time becoming more skilled. Learn theory, study compisition. When I was a teen a stole a hymn book from a church. It has made a nice tool for learning cord structure, and modulation. The internet is full of free classical music in which to study. The computer is an excellent device for effects.
Good luck in your pursuits. I suggest you work harder.
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Democracy for Breakfast:I've finally given up after searching for 4-5 months, I can't say I didn't try hard. Its ridiculous, I looked everywhere and there isn't anything new. All I can do is fucking sit here an d wait until employers are willing to hire people my age which is a year from now when the Economy has recovered. Its annoying as all hell, there's nothing I can do about bettering my chances of employment when all I have is a High School Diploma. "People before profits" right?
"People before profits" right?
Bank Run:If there are no jobs to be found, entreprenuership is a noble venture. Make a business model and pursue a loan. The entrepreneur must first ask; "what kind of laws must I contend with, and where will I get the capital?" The damned interventionist market stifles job growth, and enterprise.
I did the whole entrepreneurship thing, doing odd computer-repair jobs to earn some cash and free meals (or both, from some people). I do everything by word of mouth. It doesn't get me much, but it's better than nothing.
What spurred me on this path was a rejection from Staples after applying to be a computer repair guy. They have an online quiz that you have to take, and this quiz decided I was unqualified. Instead of asking, "Have you ever fixed a computer?" it starts with "Have you ever fixed a computer for a job?" Yes, I have fixed a computer, but no, not for a job. And so on and so forth for all of the questions.
Democracy for Breakfast: I've finally given up after searching for 4-5 months, I can't say I didn't try hard. Its ridiculous, I looked everywhere and there isn't anything new. I know exactly what you're talking about. And I wish you luck finding something real soon. All I can do is fucking sit here an d wait Maybe you could use the internet to gain some skill. Many people out of high school can't do simple math, or write. Wherever your interests lie, you can get better at what you really like. until employers are willing to hire people my age which is a year from now when the Economy has recovered. That might be a bit optimistic. Who knows how long this situation will last, given that Obama is doing everything in his power to make things worse. Its annoying as all hell, there's nothing I can do about bettering my chances of employment when all I have is a High School Diploma. See above about getting some more skill. Maybe you could work for free at something to gain experience. Getting jobs is very competitive here, it feels like if you want the reward of buying something with your hard work you need to be really lucky or have opportunities through your parents. The min. wage here is 7.25/Ho. Which is also because the cost of living here in Connecticut is extremely high. Sounds like an accurate assessment, sadly. It really sucks seeing all your friends buy everything they want, even if they aren't happy with the jobs. I am not going to be able to buy new video games coming out, or better musician equipment. Yes, envy does make things worse. But you have musical talent, which they don't. Which means you might be able to make money from that eventually, enjoying your life while they stack cans in the supermarket. My anger is almost big enough to make me say Socialism is a solution to this by forcing employers to hire people and cut back on other expenses in their budgets. "People before profits" right? It sounds good at first glance, but there are huge problems with this idea. 1. While we're at it, why not just put employers in chains and make them work for free at hard labor while we take their money? What crime did they commit that allows us to force them to do anything? In other words, it's immoral to force anyone to do anything just because we want more video games. 2. It has been tried and shown to fail spectacularly. Look at Russia and China [and the USA now]. In other words, experience shows Socialism is like a huge vampire that will bring total collapse to whole Empires with billions of people. 3. If he is forced to give away money, what makes you think he will want to expand his business and give away more? What makes you think workers who get a paycheck by force will do any useful work? You are freezing the company into it's current size and profitability [or worse]. It will never get bigger, and will maybe close down entirely, because the owner thinks A] Why bother if it's not going to make me some money? I might as well invest in Chinese stocks with my money. In fact maybe I should close the whole company down and do that. Or move to Hong Kong and open a business there. B] Even if I want to expand, I don't have the money to. It's all being wasted [from my point of view[ paying people who bring me no profits. If it will never get bigger, where will the new jobs come from? If it closes down, there will be even less jobs. In other words, logic shows Socialism is doomed to fail. It's like eating the chicken that's laying the eggs. 4. A person who has put his life and his money into a business is DYING to hire people. He has figured out a way to make money for himself by hiring the people he already has. Why should he not want more of the same? In other words, he has no evil intentions here, trying to deprive you and keep you starving; quite the opposite. 5. What got us into this mess in the first place? Socialism. The point of this whole site is to explain and to prove that the problem is forcing people to do things, the solution is letting everyone do as they please.
I've finally given up after searching for 4-5 months, I can't say I didn't try hard. Its ridiculous, I looked everywhere and there isn't anything new.
I know exactly what you're talking about. And I wish you luck finding something real soon.
All I can do is fucking sit here an d wait
Maybe you could use the internet to gain some skill. Many people out of high school can't do simple math, or write. Wherever your interests lie, you can get better at what you really like.
until employers are willing to hire people my age which is a year from now when the Economy has recovered.
That might be a bit optimistic. Who knows how long this situation will last, given that Obama is doing everything in his power to make things worse.
Its annoying as all hell, there's nothing I can do about bettering my chances of employment when all I have is a High School Diploma.
See above about getting some more skill. Maybe you could work for free at something to gain experience.
Sounds like an accurate assessment, sadly.
It really sucks seeing all your friends buy everything they want, even if they aren't happy with the jobs. I am not going to be able to buy new video games coming out, or better musician equipment.
Yes, envy does make things worse. But you have musical talent, which they don't. Which means you might be able to make money from that eventually, enjoying your life while they stack cans in the supermarket.
My anger is almost big enough to make me say Socialism is a solution to this by forcing employers to hire people and cut back on other expenses in their budgets. "People before profits" right?
It sounds good at first glance, but there are huge problems with this idea.
1. While we're at it, why not just put employers in chains and make them work for free at hard labor while we take their money? What crime did they commit that allows us to force them to do anything? In other words, it's immoral to force anyone to do anything just because we want more video games.
2. It has been tried and shown to fail spectacularly. Look at Russia and China [and the USA now]. In other words, experience shows Socialism is like a huge vampire that will bring total collapse to whole Empires with billions of people.
3. If he is forced to give away money, what makes you think he will want to expand his business and give away more? What makes you think workers who get a paycheck by force will do any useful work? You are freezing the company into it's current size and profitability [or worse]. It will never get bigger, and will maybe close down entirely, because the owner thinks A] Why bother if it's not going to make me some money? I might as well invest in Chinese stocks with my money. In fact maybe I should close the whole company down and do that. Or move to Hong Kong and open a business there. B] Even if I want to expand, I don't have the money to. It's all being wasted [from my point of view[ paying people who bring me no profits.
If it will never get bigger, where will the new jobs come from? If it closes down, there will be even less jobs. In other words, logic shows Socialism is doomed to fail. It's like eating the chicken that's laying the eggs.
4. A person who has put his life and his money into a business is DYING to hire people. He has figured out a way to make money for himself by hiring the people he already has. Why should he not want more of the same? In other words, he has no evil intentions here, trying to deprive you and keep you starving; quite the opposite.
5. What got us into this mess in the first place? Socialism. The point of this whole site is to explain and to prove that the problem is forcing people to do things, the solution is letting everyone do as they please.
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Democracy for Breakfast: All I can do is fucking sit here an d wait until employers are willing to hire people my age which is a year from now when the Economy has recovered.
All I can do is fucking sit here an d wait until employers are willing to hire people my age which is a year from now when the Economy has recovered.
You must be joking. With that for a plan you are going to be unemployed for a long, long time. Sorry to tell you but "The Economy" isn`t coming back. And why the capital letter anyways? Is Economy your personal idol at whose altar you pray?
Zach_the_Lizard:I do everything by word of mouth. It doesn't get me much, but it's better than nothing.
The foolproof solution is to move!!! There are many jobs available for unskilled workers that pay pretty well, it just depends on your willingness to relocate. Try looking for the nearest oilfield and seeing if they are recruiting hands/guagers. Every oilfield i've been at or heard of has problems attracting people. Those jobs pay $10/hr with plenty of overtime and advancement opportunities. They especially want young guys like you to train because the majority of folks in the fields are getting pretty old.Also, its not near as dangerous as it used to be. Statistically, you have a greater chance of getting in a car accident than an oilfield accident (if you are an oilfield worker :P )
Although you may be a victim, I can't feel bad for the fact that you can't purchase the same videogames as your friends. There are people in a worse situation than you. It would be smart if you could feel compassion for them.
Your feeling of helplessness is normal. Anyone up alone against a greater power faces the same. I have faced it before. It is not the most productive.
You are young. You have nothing to lose. It's the perfect time to make some trouble for the authorities. Keep it organized and popular. Meet some people. Don't stay alone.
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Zach_the_Lizard:What spurred me on this path was a rejection from Staples after applying to be a computer repair guy. They have an online quiz that you have to take, and this quiz decided I was unqualified. Instead of asking, "Have you ever fixed a computer?" it starts with "Have you ever fixed a computer for a job?" Yes, I have fixed a computer, but no, not for a job. And so on and so forth for all of the questions.
This is a dangerous system for them as it only recruits people who have the reflex to lie.
Unless that's the kind of employee they want.
/popcorn
What you can do is what I have done.
Learn technical analysis.
Using technical analysis and a simple charting software, you can start doing a trend trading of stocks with a small trading account, and you'll be making money gradually from time to time from trading stocks, with earning enough every month to pay your bills and buy what you want.
Believe me, learning and implementing technical analysis was the easiest thing I ever did.
Democracy for Breakfast: I've finally given up after searching for 4-5 months, I can't say I didn't try hard. Its ridiculous, I looked everywhere and there isn't anything new. All I can do is fucking sit here an d wait until employers are willing to hire people my age which is a year from now when the Economy has recovered. Its annoying as all hell, there's nothing I can do about bettering my chances of employment when all I have is a High School Diploma. Getting jobs is very competitive here, it feels like if you want the reward of buying something with your hard work you need to be really lucky or have opportunities through your parents. The min. wage here is 7.25/Ho. Which is also because the cost of living here in Connecticut is extremely high. It really sucks seeing all your friends buy everything they want, even if they aren't happy with the jobs. I am not going to be able to buy new video games coming out, or better musician equipment. My anger is almost big enough to make me say Socialism is a solution to this by forcing employers to hire people and cut back on other expenses in their budgets. "People before profits" right?
I'm sorry to hear things are so tough up in Connecticut. Though, sitting and waiting is not the right answer. There are other options as some other people have pointed out. You may not like the other options but they are there. Just to throw this out (and I know this is not popular around these parts) but you can always join the military. You get a job and college money. Again I know its not a popular idea around these parts but from a pratical standpoint it could be a good option for you. You can always move to where the jobs are. Millions of people around the world do it every year.
Or you can stand still while your parents or the government enable you to do nothing to improve your own plight. Is this how people "learn to be helpless", to steal a phrase from another of your threads. Not trying to be rude but its your life and you are in control of your own destiny. Blaming others and looking to them for your salvation will gaurantee that you are at their mercy. I vote for self reliance.
Snowflake:You could learn a new skill, perhaps by going to school.
That's actually what I'm in the process of doing. The computer repair stuff is to have money to live off of while doing it. I also am working on a few mod tools and contributions to open-source projects to add a few things to my resume -- who'd want to hire a CS grad without any useful programs? I certainly wouldn't, especially not in this climate. I believe a grocery store might open up around here soon, so I might be able to find some work there.
Well, at least you don't have it as bad as this person.
Southern:Just to throw this out (and I know this is not popular around these parts) but you can always join the military. You get a job and college money. Again I know its not a popular idea around these parts but from a pratical standpoint it could be a good option for you.
Murder and theft are practical options too then.
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liberty student: Southern:Just to throw this out (and I know this is not popular around these parts) but you can always join the military. You get a job and college money. Again I know its not a popular idea around these parts but from a pratical standpoint it could be a good option for you. Murder and theft are practical options too then.
I figured this would come up. We live in the system we are all part of it. Even the most pricipled of us here. I know that some here disagree but you dont actually have to kill to be a member of the military. Therefore you dont have to be a murder to serve. As far as the theft goes (I assume you mean living off tax dollars) we are all guilty everytime use a government service. From a pratical standpoint in our present society there is nothing wrong a military option. Of course my arguement is something that yall have heard more than once as well. Hell if the traditional military is a problem, join the coast gaurd. They conduct almost exclusively domestic operations and more times than not are helping those who are in trouble.
Hopefully yall wont run me off because of this opinion. ;)
Prateek Sanjay: What you can do is what I have done. Learn technical analysis. Using technical analysis and a simple charting software, you can start doing a trend trading of stocks with a small trading account, and you'll be making money gradually from time to time from trading stocks, with earning enough every month to pay your bills and buy what you want. Believe me, learning and implementing technical analysis was the easiest thing I ever did.
Sounds interesting. Can you recommend a starting point or some good reading?
Southern:I figured this would come up.
Sure, you recommended taking a public sector job that includes violence on a forum with many radical libertarians. Like giving a kindergarten class candy!!!
Southern:We live in the system we are all part of it.
That's a copout for taking responsibility for ones own moral action. "Just following orders" falls into this vein of reasoning.
Look, I recognize that people are willing to kill other people. I'm not going to approve of it, but I understand people will make that choice. But let's not pretend it is not what it really is.
"I think you should sign up for the military, they pay really well if you follow orders and don't get killed or become suicidal. You will get a free ride in college and nice benefits. You might have to kill or torture, but that is part of the job."
Southern:Hopefully yall wont run me off because of this opinion.
No, but it was bad advice in my opinion. Really bad. Help the kid stay alive, keep his soul, and become productive.
liberty student: Southern:I figured this would come up. Sure, you recommended taking a public sector job that includes violence on a forum with many radical libertarians. Like giving a kindergarten class candy!!!
Very true. I didnt really think about it from that angle, but I felt comfortable enough to post because it seems like most here are fairly open minded. My purpose is not to provoke.
liberty student: Southern:We live in the system we are all part of it. That's a copout for taking responsibility for ones own moral action. "Just following orders" falls into this vein of reasoning.
It can be a copout, if you believe that a public sector job or serving in the military is immoral in and of itself. I'm not sure it is any more immoral than what we all do on a daily basis. But as a member of one these organizations you can do horriblely immoral things that the rest of us are not guilty of. And that may be the diffrence that I see.
liberty student: Look, I recognize that people are willing to kill other people. I'm not going to approve of it, but I understand people will make that choice. But let's not pretend it is not what it really is. "I think you should sign up for the military, they pay really well if you follow orders and don't get killed or become suicidal. You will get a free ride in college and nice benefits. You might have to kill or torture, but that is part of the job."
To be fair this may not be the most accurate description of military service; unless you choose a branch or profession will put at risk. There are branches and jobs within the military where you will never kill anybody. I understand that some feel that even though you dont pull the trigger you enable others to do so, and this in turn means you are a murder as well. But that reasoning gets a bit tricky. Where do we draw the line. If we trace it back far enough anyone who pays taxes is a murder.
liberty student:No, but it was bad advice in my opinion. Really bad. Help the kid stay alive, keep his soul, and become productive.
I definitely understand your point of veiw. But he can do all of this and still have spent a few years in the service.
Southern:To be fair this may not be the most accurate description of military service; unless you choose a branch or profession will put at risk. There are branches and jobs within the military where you will never kill anybody. I understand that some feel that even though you dont pull the trigger you enable others to do so, and this in turn means you are a murder as well. But that reasoning gets a bit tricky. Where do we draw the line. If we trace it back far enough anyone who pays taxes is a murder.
Except that the major difference is that taxpayers do not pay taxes voluntarily, whereas those that join the military do so voluntarily. Pretty big line there. One that Juan had to point out to me.
At most, I think only 5% of the adult population would need to stop cooperating to have real change.
If it is not a secret how much cash had you put aside as your working capital?
Spideynw: Southern:To be fair this may not be the most accurate description of military service; unless you choose a branch or profession will put at risk. There are branches and jobs within the military where you will never kill anybody. I understand that some feel that even though you dont pull the trigger you enable others to do so, and this in turn means you are a murder as well. But that reasoning gets a bit tricky. Where do we draw the line. If we trace it back far enough anyone who pays taxes is a murder. Except that the major difference is that taxpayers do not pay taxes voluntarily, whereas those that join the military do so voluntarily. Pretty big line there. One that Juan had to point out to me.
Very true. But the effect is the same. Again the vast majority of jobs in the military do not require that you fight or kill and the vast majority of those in the military don't. So I think the worst you could accuse most of them of is living off the government dime. I think the guilt of murder by association might be a bit of a strech. Maybe.
Spideynw:Except that the major difference is that taxpayers do not pay taxes voluntarily, whereas those that join the military do so voluntarily. Pretty big line there. One that Juan had to point out to me.
If you agree that what I said in response to libery student about being part of the system is a copout then this would have to be as well. (couldnt figure out how to quote the line)
Marko:If it is not a secret how much cash had you put aside as your working capital?
Questions of a personal nature should be sent by PM. Generally, people don't like to discuss their financial details publicly.
Just sayin, you will may receive an answer privately that you might not receive publicly.
Marko: Democracy for Breakfast: All I can do is fucking sit here an d wait until employers are willing to hire people my age which is a year from now when the Economy has recovered. You must be joking. With that for a plan you are going to be unemployed for a long, long time. Sorry to tell you but "The Economy" isn`t coming back. And why the capital letter anyways? Is Economy your personal idol at whose altar you pray?
THat isn't very optimistic, the economy should recover naturally a year from now. I don't think the damage done by Obama and the Bush Administration are going to be permanent.
Democracy for Breakfast: "I think you should sign up for the military, they pay really well if you follow orders and don't get killed or become suicidal. You will get a free ride in college and nice benefits. You might have to kill or torture, but that is part of the job." That sounds like North Korean-Communism. I also have a mental illness, so becoming suicidal is probably out of question, guess it aint for me.
It was just one of many options. Good luck with the job search.
Knowing that the military has a lot of tough bad boys, I'd probably become suicidal from it all since I'd likely be ridiculed, harassed, and outcasted.
Democracy for Breakfast:THat isn't very optimistic, the economy should recover naturally a year from now.
You're dreamin. This recesssion hasn't even hit bottom yet.
Democracy for Breakfast:I don't think the damage done by Obama and the Bush Administration are going to be permanent.
Why?
Democracy for Breakfast: THat isn't very optimistic, the economy should recover naturally a year from now. I don't think the damage done by Obama and the Bush Administration are going to be permanent.
liberty student:Heaps of work out there if you are willing to hustle.
True dat. There are many ways to make money in the informal economy. Seasonal landscaping work (e.g. cutting grass, raking leaves, snowplowing, etc.). Many high-school level sports need referees. I am a soccer referee. Try to go to a local game and talk to refs about certification and the whole nine yards. And of course, there are always not-so-legal ways to earn money as well.
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Something I miss from Spain is the easy employment you could find in the countryside. I'm sure it's the same in the U.S., but the fact is that I'm guessing you go to school (high school or college) and so obviously migration isn't your best choice. In Spain, farmers might pay you what seems like nothing (you're lucky to get €5, most pay €3), but it's enough for many college students to go to their home towns during vacation to work and earn some money, and it has kept the immigrants employed (the only people who really seem interested in working to live, since everybody else just receives welfare).
But, I'm sure there are "similar" forms of employment in the United States. As aforementioned, landscaping. During the summer pool cleaning was a lucrative job. Painting, if you have the patience and you have a steady hand (and some experience). You have to be somewhat imaginative.
Southern:Very true. But the effect is the same.
Irrelevant. Just like killing someone that consents to it, results in death, so does killing someone that does not consent. The fact that death results in both cases is irrelevant. What is relevant is that in the one case the person wanted to die, and in the other the person did not want to die.
The same goes with signing up to join the military as opposed to paying taxes that pay for the military. People who pay taxes unwillingly (which I would guess would be everyone) are not nearly as responsible for the carnage as those who voluntarily sign up to work for the military.
How the hell is anyone supposed to want to find work in this Economy? People who don't have access to forums such as this. Your everyday person will not be up to such a task if finding a job is not easy. There are no Economic solutions to this, politicians will not abide by us, and realize that Laissez-Faire is the way to a quick recovery.
Democracy for Breakfast:How the hell is anyone supposed to want to find work in this Economy?
Figure out what people want and find it for them.
Criminals, there ought to be a law.
Criminals there ought to be a whole lot more. Bon Scott.
Southern:but you can always join the military.
You can always rob the local 7-11 too. Join up today kids, kill some some sand niggers and get free ride to college. Come on really, here.