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TelfordUS posted on Sat, Dec 5 2009 8:17 PM

Is it possible to possess socialist  principles while executing economics like an anarchist?

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TelfordUS:

Is it possible to possess socialist  principles while executing economics like an anarchist?

Well define what you mean by 'anarchist'

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Better yet, define what you mean by socialist principles

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Define 'Is', please.

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Define 'Is', please.

Poppycock! These are fair questions.

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Socialist principles: humanity, fraternity, etc. Non-individualistic ambition

Anarchist: One who supports anarchy; one who acts without supervision of a compulsory System of Action

Is: the equal sign

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jmorris84:
Define 'Is', please.

Poppycock! These are fair questions.

Stick out tongue

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TelfordUS:
humanity, fraternity, etc. Non-individualistic ambition

Well we preach fraternity here...well an implied fraternity.

TelfordUS:

Anarchist: One who supports anarchy; one who acts without supervision of a compulsory System of Action

I think one can be a mutualist. An anarchist who supports 'non-compulsory' socialism. Its possible but not very consistent.

 

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TelfordUS:
humanity, fraternity, etc. Non-individualistic ambition

These are not socialist principles. socialist principles are; envy, ignorance,parasitism, war, poverty, and that jews are bad.

Where there is no property there is no justice; a proposition as certain as any demonstration in Euclid

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TelfordUS:
humanity, fraternity, etc. Non-individualistic ambition

Well we preach fraternity here...well an implied fraternity.

TelfordUS:

Anarchist: One who supports anarchy; one who acts without supervision of a compulsory System of Action

I think one can be a mutualist. An anarchist who supports 'non-compulsory' socialism. Its possible but not very consistent.

 

(God how I hate the burden of proof. The smallest hole poked in my claim makes me look like a fool and kills my credibility. >:( )

So you're saying non-compulsory socialism relies on those to just contribute without gain? That would be extremely inconsistent. 

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I suppose there may be a matter of degree involved.  As an example China, being a socialist nation, seems to be exhibiting very free market tendencies lately.  Even to the point of advocating that their citizens invest in gold. Something that most socialist regimes would find a threatening idea.  As a culture they are simply fascinating.   I would think that a Laissez-faire approach to economics would ultimately prove too threatening to socialist principles for the two to continue to coexist.  A move to one extreme or the other would probably result.  Such moves are often frought with conflict both on the individuals intellectual principles as well as an institutional power structure level.

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jews are bad.

Well, I never!

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nirgrahamUK:

These are not socialist principles. socialist principles are; envy, ignorance,parasitism, war, poverty, and that jews are bad.

Don't forget...every socialist has a white Persian cat and a scar along their face. They are simply diabolical.

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Can it be agreed upon that anarcho-capitalism promotes personal gain? Then can it be concluded that anarcho-capitalism promotes individualist principles? Then can it be concluded that individualist ambitions squander humanity, as helping others cuts into personal profits?

Can it be agreed upon that socialism promotes societal gain? Then can it be concluded that socialism promotes societal principles? Then can it be concluded that societal principles lead to compulsory action for every citizen, therefore killing liberty?

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TelfordUS:
Then can it be concluded that individualist ambitions squander humanity, as helping others cuts into personal profits?

Not at all. Profits are not simply monetary numbers.

TelfordUS:
Then can it be concluded that societal principles lead to compulsory action for every citizen, therefore killing liberty?

People can engage in voluntary socialism.

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