...when one sees how extensive modern socialism really is (I'm talking about proper socialists). I don't want to summarily (or otherwise) kill these people but nazi germany was so bourgeois and "normal" -it was a place where one could do business. Also modern art was outlawed (I don't support that but I never cared for most modern art -especially dada). The nazis also followed certain philosophical ideals that I feel are a bit too lacking in society namely intolerance for untrue things and a certain savor for the past and perennial, timeless things. The peasants were given inalienable rights in landownership (one couldn't sell land beyond a certain number of generations of ownership). Also the corporations were granted freedom from competition from companies with lesser amounts of capital. It was truly a society of stability, rooted in history, unflinchingly bourgeois, and devoted to victory against socialism, -and it had cool uniforms!
When the nazis came to power, there was no mass starvation and germany's econ. problems ended.
When the soviets came to power, there was mass starvation.
So does anyone share this guilty pleasure or want to get me psychological help?
If I thought you were even remotely serious . . . yeah, get help.
"corporations were granted freedom from competition from companies with lesser amounts of capital." - dead giveaway.
Psychological help.
fakename: When the nazis came to power, there was no mass starvation and germany's econ. problems ended.
The entire economy was high jacked to prepare for war. There was shortages of everything, and they had to import much goods from other countries. What problems did the Nazi's solve exactly?
Dustin Jussila:What problems did the Nazi's solve exactly?
I think their "problem-solving" was the major problem.
certainly hitler lost and the frankfurt school won. paul cantor has a good mp3 on modernism, where hitler and realism are discussed. from memory it's this one:
http://media.mises.org/mp3/Cantor/Cantor-6.mp3
You're so wrong it's pathetic. National Socialism is based off the Platonic Tripartite State. I've been discussing both the origins of NS and why free-market economics is superior to NS on another forum. The NSDAP implemented a variation of the Platonic Tripartite State. It was a mixture of Platonic elements with traditionalism. I actually see some elements of NS rather modern compared to the traditionalist aspects they were going for. From this you have a government that's try to preserve what they see as traditional values, morality, art, music, etc. You must keep in mind that economically NS failed. They drove all production towards war, and had work programs that would mirror the New Deal.
The Nazis and the German Economy Nazi Economics from Reason Inflation and Price Control by Mises Nazi Economics by David Gordon
If you're interested in knowing the structure of National Socialism I can post a summary of the Platonic Tripartite State from the book From Socrates To Sartre that I wrote.
I wasn't that wrong:
The peasants were given inalienable rights in landownership (one couldn't sell land beyond a certain number of generations of ownership).
then from Mises.org's The Free Market: Nazism is Socialism:
For instance, in October 1933, Hitler declared that "the ruin of the German peasant will be the ruin of the German people."
Darre wished to "reform" the production and marketing of food and to raise prices for farmers. Darre's entire program was designed with one objective in mind: to insulate the peasant farmer from the market. To this end, Darre issued the Hereditary Farm Law in 1933, which had the purpose of preventing foreclosure on or the sale of farmland...only Aryan Germans who could prove the purity of their bloodline back to 1800 could own a farm.
Every farm up to 308 acres was declared a hereditary estate-it could not be sold, divided, mortgaged or foreclosed on for debt. With the death of its owner, it would pass to his nearest male relative, who in turn was obligated to provide an income and education for his relatives. The peasant farmer was called a bauer or peasant, an "honored title" that he forfeited if he broke the "peasant honor code"-that is, if he stopped farming.
To compliment this the Reich Food Estate...vast bureaucracy enforced regulations that touched all areas of the farmer's life and his food production, processing, and marketing. It was headed by Darre himself as "Reich Peasant Leader."
The Reich Food Estate had two goals: to jack up agricultural prices, and to make Germany "self-sufficient in food." Darre arbitrarily fixed the prices of agricultural products: within the first two years of the regime, wholesale prices rose 20 percent, and for cattle, vegetables, and dairy products, the rise was even steeper. But the farming sector was not exempt; the additional costs of these artificial prices were passed on to all consumers.
I don't know if land area would have anything to do with it, but Germany is 137,882 square miles and Russia is 6,601,668 square miles.
It's much easier to centralize a neighborhood than an entire city. There was much more room to go wrong in Soviet Union, not to say that the entire communist experiment was a good deal at all.
fakename:When the nazis came to power, there was no mass starvation and germany's econ. problems ended.
Dustin Jussila:The entire economy was high jacked to prepare for war. There was shortages of everything, and they had to import much goods from other countries. What problems did the Nazi's solve exactly?
The economy was prepared for war because they were hopelessly in debt. Having no other way to bail themselves out, short of an even worse period of hyperinflation than it had before, the solution was to conquer and loot other countries. The question of their financing is a very long subject, requiring a thread all to itself (I'll write one the day I want to answer a thousand posts at once).
The money to build their war machine didn't come out of thin air (well, I guess it did-- just not German air). I have little doubt that Germany's creditors objected to the mass murder and looting that took place, since it all went to pay interest.
I feel like you are a Nazi appologist trying to sound facetious to cover your tracks.
If so then go to hell. If not then stop wasting my time.
"In a modern democracy, no matter whom you vote for, the government always gets elected" -Christopher Westley
They did find the final solution, no? That sounds good, no?
fakename:It was truly a society of stability, rooted in history, unflinchingly bourgeois, and devoted to victory against socialism, -and it had cool uniforms!
Other cool things they did: imprisoning people for having the wrong religion/world view/sexual orientation, exterminating groups based on bogus conspiracy theories, starting a war that killed millions and devastated an entire country and installing a 1984-ish surveillance state to make sure everyone thought like you do. Please, Sir, get a clue or GTFO.
rothbard details the house of morgan's involvement in promoting us entry in wwI here:
http://mises.org/rothbard/WSBanks.pdf
this was not lost on hitler, nor on many other germans bitter over their defeat in the great war.
This forum has gone to hell.