Current USDA dietary guidelines are based on the flawed notion that cholesterol and saturated fat are unhealthy. They are unrealistic, unworkable, unscientific and impractical; they have resulted in widespread nutrient deficiencies and contributed to a proliferation of obesity and degenerative disease, including problems with growth, behavior and learning in children. The US government is promoting a lowfat, plant-based diet that ignores the vital role animal protein and fats have played in human nutrition throughout the ages. The pyramid with its strictures against fat consumption does not recognize variations in human metabolism. Recommendations for fat restriction are predicated on the assumption that fat causes weight gain and heart disease; several recent studies have shown that that restriction of natural fats actually leads to more obesity in both children and adults, while the refined carbohydrates, polyunsaturated and trans fats that frequently replace natural saturated fats contribute to weight gain and chronic disease. Restriction of animal fats in children leads increased markers for heart disease and to deficiencies of vitamins A, D and K2, needed for growth, strong bones, immunity, neurological function, and protection from tooth decay.
Unfortunately this is what happens when families delegate their responsiblity for nutrition to the State. It sells its advice to the highest bidder and naturally, in an economy dominated by corporate monopolies funded by the inflation from fractional reserve banking, the guidelines are designed to promote the products of commodity agriculture. The products of mixed family farms which built the nation, from where the Founding Fathers were born and raised do not get a look in because they are the natural competition to commodity agriculture.
Read more here: http://www.westonaprice.org/basics/comments-on-the-usda-dietary-guidelines
I would like some citations for the research you claim, but otherwise I agree that government pushing nutrition is bad. It's likely that there is no silver bullet for nutrition, but that instead everyone has his own thing.
I agree that meat gets a bad rap.
What would be more useful to the public (rather than a nutrition pyramid) is an activity pyramid including watching TV, sitting down, exercising, etc. Of course, I wouldn't trust the government to make it, and it has no power to make it, but really, people need to see that sitting down actually increases your chance of death by heart related problems even if you exercise regularly. So stand up and exercise more.
/rant
P.S. Source:
http://www.sciencealert.com.au/opinions/20111108-22489.html which says:
Our research has shown that even when people exercise regularly, watching large amounts of television is independently associated with an increased risk of premature death.
And their citation:
http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/121/3/384.short
I don't know that people actually eat the food pyramid. And whatever they do eat is worse than the food pyramid. So Idk how you can blame government's (maybe bad) advice for the majority of dietary ailments.
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The pyramid is taught widely in public schools and people do use it to justify their habits if questioned a little more.
What people try to justify and what people actually do are *very* different things. The food pyramid is bad, but its still in the right direction compared to the standard american diet. By far the most important thing is to reduce calories, and the USDA is asking people to do that. So I don't really see any major problems.
More grains than vegetables?
So what? Vegetables period is an improvement over what they're eating now. And they're saying that you should replace existing refined grains with whole grains. That's not bad either.
We evolved from cattle.
Clayton -
We evolved from lots of stuff.
Sieben wrote the following post at Tue, Sep 13 2011 1:52 AM: I don't know that people actually eat the food pyramid.
All schools using Federal funding for school lunches is forced to comply with the food pyramid. So for example, full fat milk is not allowed in schools, yet the vitamin D is necessary to utilize calcium and, fats in the cream stimulate metabolism meaning that skim milk cause more weight gain than full fat milk. This is why pig farmers feed skim milk to pigs.
In addition, Federal Penetentuaries enforce the guidelines.
Dr Price, in his book, devoted a chapter to the connection between malnutrition and criminality, suggesting that the use of the food pyramid in schools will exacerbate the number of criminals and that time in prison could cause amplification of criminal tendancies, particularly if inmates are in their teens and still developing physically. The Weston A Price Foundation is currently taking action against Illinois which provides a diet of 70% soy for prisoners: http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/cruel-and-unusual-punishment-soy-diet-for-illinois-prisoners
One of the way this happens is that malnutrition leads to a smaller pallate and skull, leaving less space for the hypathalamus which is the seat of impulse control.
"deformed palates are present in 19 per cent of the ordinary population, 33 per cent of the insane, 55 per cent of criminals, but in no less than 61 per cent of idiots."
http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library/price/price19.html
Caption: The photographs of Dr. Weston Price illustrate the difference in facial structure between those on their native diets and those whose parents had adopted the "civilized" diets of devitalized processed foods. The "primitive" Seminole girl (left) and Samoan boy (third from left) have wide, handsome faces with plenty of room for the dental arches. The "modernized" Seminole girl (second from left) and Samoan boy (right), born to parents who had abandoned their traditional diets, have narrowed faces, crowded teeth and a reduced immunity to disease.
NOTE: I do not have time to provide citations for every claim I make, so please, do not criticize my comments for lack of citations but if you find a citation that conflicts with my comments then I will comment. Please play fair.
This video from Zoe Harcombe explains the link between obesity and compliance with the Foody Pyramid: http://vimeo.com/26994290
Also, here, Sally Fallon starts off with noting the Food Pyramid then, goes on to explain how it contrasts so badly with traditional diets: http://vimeo.com/10489302
@ Clayton: is that a serious remark? Cattle doesn't eat grains anyway. It eats grass.
Phil Ridley:All schools using Federal funding for school lunches is forced to comply with the food pyramid.
And this also doesn't prove that people actually FOLLOW the food pyramid. Its another red herring. What do people actually do in real life Phil? Hmm?
Phil:Federal Penetentuaries
Phil Ridley:The Weston A Price Foundation is currently taking action against Illinois which provides a diet of 70% soy for prisoners: http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/cruel-and-unusual-punishment-soy-diet-for-illinois-prisoners
Phil Ridley:"deformed palates are present in 19 per cent of the ordinary population, 33 per cent of the insane, 55 per cent of criminals, but in no less than 61 per cent of idiots."
Phil Ridley:NOTE: I do not have time to provide citations for every claim I make, so please, do not criticize my comments for lack of citations but if you find a citation that conflicts with my comments then I will comment. Please play fair.
Wheylous wrote the following post at Tue, Sep 13 2011 2:08 PM:
Indeed, cows are not supposed to eat only grains, but modern confined agriculture feedlot operations, (CAFO's), feed only grain. This results in too much omega 6, and very little omega 3 and, a very limited supply of fat soluble vitamins A, D & K to name just two implications. Visit realmilk.com for local sources of grass fed milk. Unfortunately organic in USA does not necessarily mean grass fed.
Sieben wrote the following post at Tue, Sep 13 2011 2:14 PM: Phil Ridley:All schools using Federal funding for school lunches is forced to comply with the food pyramid. You cannot comply with the food pyramid in one meal per day.
Indeed, but most mothers have been convinced via marketing and propaganda to switch to low fat options at home. And at school, they comply by providing lean meat, skim milk, lots of starchy potatoes and by using toxic veg oil to cook in rather than heat stable saturated fats. The chips are fried in veg oil meaning that they are high in polyunsaturated rather than saturated fats and this is where the problems lie because these fats are not stable and they cause inflamation that causes heart disease.
As mentioned Sieben, if you are interested and require sources to believe me, then go look for some and stop asking for me to do legwork for you. It is common knowledge that most federal funding comes with strings attached. In this case, the strings are that schools comply with the USDA's dietary guidelines. In addition, please provide details as to why you are incapable or researching these claims for yourself. If the weblinks and videos I have provided do not satisfy you, then that is no justification to get arsey, it is a reason for you to get off your hind end and do some of your own research.
Phil Ridley:Indeed, but most mothers have been convinced via marketing and propaganda to switch to low fat options at home.
Phil Ridley:And at school, they comply by providing lean meat
Phil Ridley:by using toxic veg oil to cook in rather than heat stable saturated fats.
Phil Ridley:The chips are fried in veg oil meaning that they are high in polyunsaturated rather than saturated fats and this is where the problems lie because these fats are not stable and they cause inflamation that causes heart disease.
Phil Ridley:As mentioned Sieben, if you are interested and require sources to believe me, then go look for some and stop asking for me to do legwork for you.
Phil Ridley:It is common knowledge that most federal funding comes with strings attached. In this case, the strings are that schools comply with the USDA's dietary guidelines.
Phil Ridley:In addition, please provide details as to why you are incapable or researching these claims for yourself
Phil Ridley:If the weblinks and videos I have provided do not satisfy you, then that is no justification to get arsey, it is a reason for you to get off your hind end and do some of your own research.
Oh and you also completely ignored my counterevidence to your claim that 19% of the population has a deformed palate. So does that mean I'm right?
Philtard
You are sounding a lot like a neocon, Sieben:
libtard
Yeah. Cus neocons always ask for controlled studies.
Sieben what happened to your usual imperturbability? Please, no more insults.
I am not usually imperturbable. I find it is a poor strategy when dealing with dishonest opponents.
I just meant that ad hominems don't convince your opponents of anything.
Abusive ad hominem (also called personal abuse or personal attacks) usually involves insulting or belittling one's opponent in order to attack his claim or invalidate his argument, but can also involve pointing out factual but apparent character flaws or actions that are irrelevant to the opponent's argument. This tactic is logically fallacious because insults and negative facts about the opponent's personal character have nothing to do with the logical merits of the opponent's arguments or assertions.
Actually its only fallacious if I claim you're wrong because you're a retard. But you're wrong whether or not you're actually retarded. I just added in there just so you know that I know you're retarded. I used these things called studies to debunk your actual claims. Still waiting on you to substantiate your claim that 19% of the US population have cleft deformities.
Wheylous: I just meant that ad hominems don't convince your opponents of anything.
No, but they are the highlight of my morning.
More than 19% of Americans require braces to make their teeth fit into their mouth. I would define that as a deformity to the bone structure of the jaw. I do not need to provide any study to demonstrate that because you can see this by visiting any school or simply by walking down the street and observing how many children have braces now.
LOL. Good job shifting the goalposts. Could you just give a damn number for how many people have "cleft deformities"? Note that braces are used to treat overbite. Except overbite is not considered abnormal. In fact, lack of an overbite is abnormal. Here's the source. You will notice it is not from www.crazyfatchickwhohatesvegans.com.
Wheylous wrote the following post at Tue, Sep 13 2011 1:36 AM:
The problem is, that individuals eating toxic foods will consume more of the bad stuff when they excercise. Excercise therefore only does its job when a person is eating a good healthy diet. How many people do you know who use going down the gym as excuse for eating junk?!
Phil Ridley:Excercise therefore only does its job when a person is eating a good healthy diet.
Durrrrrrrrrp. Durrrrp. Sorry its not from www.whitesuburbia4life.com
Phil... *headdesk* Please don't go down this pseudo-science rabbit hole. I've already seen it curb stomped on other sites. Just step back and accept that getting fat is the result of EATING TOO MUCH and not moving around enough.
"The power of liberty going forward is in decentralization. Not in leaders, but in decentralized activism. In a market process." -- liberty student
He said that he's put a lot of time and money into the videos he's linking. This implies that he works for the WOAP foundation. He's being paid to troll internet forums.
ladyattis wrote the following post at Tue, Sep 13 2011 4:25 PM:
Phil... *headdesk* Please don't go down this pseudo-science rabbit hole of race realism. I've already seen it curb stomped on YT by several people with cited sources, counterarguments, and refutations. Please take a step back and breathe. K?
What I have to say has nothing to do with race. Dr Price stressed, contrary to common belief in the 1930's, that proper genetic expression was a function of nutrition, not race. The only reason Price looked at specific races was because they were examples of isolated people eating their traditional foods. He studied whites in Europe, Indians in America and Canada, Blacks in Africa, and on, and on. Each time, he found that people showed optimum health when they ate their traditional foods, and that the same genetic pool would have the modern diseases of civilization if they adopted the refined, processed foods of the West, and dropped the nutrient dense foods of "primitive" society.
Here is a 1min video of Dr Price showing that he came as a missionary from the primitive people to teach the West their wisdom:
- http://files.meetup.com/1463924/Price_speaking_movietone2.wmv
And you will see if you read his book that he talks about nutrition, not race:
- http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library/price/pricetoc.html
ladyattis replied on Tue, Sep 13 2011 4:25 PM
Then why do a vast majority of diets fail. It is because the calories in, calories put on equasion does not work. That is a mis-application of the laws of thermodynamics because the human body is not a closed system.
The government tell us to replace sugar with starchy vegetables, yet starch provides more calories per pound than sugar, and both break down into glucose. They also tell us to not eat fat, yet not all fat is used for energy, whilst all glucose is either burned as energy or stored as fat.
A vast amount of fat and protein, is used for making cells and carrying out other functions in the body. This is why you put on weight with carbs, but loose it with a high fat/protein diet, because all carbs are used for energy or stored as fat, whilst only some of the fat and protein you eat is used for energy, and excess protein is excreted in the form of urea. This is why a low carb, high fat diet actually works for those wanting to loose weight, and is why those on such a diet need not count their calories.
- Please watch this video where Zoe Harcombe explains this fully: http://vimeo.com/26994290
Phil Ridley:Then why do a vast majority of diets fail.
Phil Ridley:It is because the calories in, calories put on equasion does not work. That is a mis-application of the laws of thermodynamics because the human body is not a closed system.
Phil Ridley:The government tell us to replace sugar with starchy vegetables, yet starch provides more calories per pound than sugar,
They also tell us to not eat fat
yet not all fat is used for energy,
whilst all glucose is either burned as energy or stored as fat.
But that's cute that you FAILED TO MENTION THAT DIETARY FAT IS STORED AS BODY FAT.
A vast amount of fat and protein, is used for making cells and carrying out other functions in the body.
whilst only some of the fat and protein you eat is used for energy, and excess protein is excreted in the form of urea.
This is why a low carb, high fat diet actually works for those wanting to loose weight, and is why those on such a diet need not count their calories.
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What is a serving? That drove me nuts. is a serving of Apple = serving of orange? Same with chicken vs cow vs pork.
Marks Daily apple website is a food plan I can get behind
No, it's facetious. Why the hell would anyone think that human beings should primarily eat grains? Or did I miss the part where we descended from the great Grain-Eating Apes of Zanzabar?
Cattle do, in fact, eat grain.
And grain is just the dried seed of grasses.
Sorry for slight off-topic, but in nature, what do cows do in the winter? Do they just hang out on plains?
Even more off-topic and more of a rant: those spots on cows... is that fur or is their coloration simply their skin? Because when I think of a cow I think of how it looks, but never of how it would feel to touch it...
Actually, in nature cows consume small amounts of grain in the fall, which helps to fatten them up for the winter. However, the primarily consume grass and other similar green matter.
And here is the key. They turn cellulose into the saturated fat that you find in cream. These are the fats with the omega 3 & 6 balance that suit humans perfectly, and it is within these fats that you get the key fat soluble vitamins that Dr Price identified, being A, D & K2. However, a cow only eating grains will have too much omega 6 and hardly any of the fat soluble vitamins, because they lack the cellulose that the cow requires. This is the key reason why cows in a feedlot in confined agriculture is not as good for you. Left to graze freely, in nature, they choose primarily green grass and other similar herbage.
Traditionally, cows were fed root vegetables, hay and silage (fermented green grass) during winter, with some grains to supplement. A Confined Agriculture Feedlot Operation in the States, feeds them nothing but grains all year round, this is unprecedented in agricultural history. Here in Britain we are blessed with pastures that work all year round, but in the States, cows must be bought into the barn for much of the year. However, you could choose traditional breeds like bison which would be far more hardy than the modern Holstein, allowing the cows to be outside for more of the year.
Or you could just. Oh. I don't know. Take fish oil caps so you can get the clinically validated dose of omega 3's instead of just shoving both thumbs up your ass and getting the "natural" amount from "natural" beef.
Actually, I take Green Pasture's fermented cod liver oil. It is a far better source of nutrients than fish oil. I take a teaspoon per day along with some high vitamin butter oil. Dr Price's book shows studies of when he used that to treat rickets, etc. These supplements have been forumated to match the nutrient density of dairy and cod liver oil found in primitive tribes.
That provides the essential fatty acids I require, but does not by-pass my need to have a balance between omega 3 and 6 in the rest of my diet, which I achieve my eating pastured, ideally organic eggs, meat and raw dairy.
This is the kind of diet that has satisfied people for millenia. The question is why, and understanding that could allow us to better what our ancestors achieved, but we would be silly to ignore their collective wisdom and simply do what the government tells us to do, by adopting a low fat diet and shunning the foods our grandparents ate.