Anyone care to explain what exactly this means? I have done some minor research and I have figured out a basic idea what it means, but can someone explain this more?Basically, it is a system that uses a big fascist state to force people to think anarchy. But also in some cases, some believe that, even in anarchy, there should be one military force that regulates the stateless societies... anyone want to expand?
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Anarchy is characterized by the absence of enforced authority. Fascism is characterized by an authoritarian collectivizing of economic and political powers under a national government, often via powerful dictators. Anarcho-fascism is nothing more than an impossible contradiction of terms.
Being that 99% of all political philosophy and terms are gleefully oblivious to any mechanics to human action and the workings of the world, it doesn't matter. Almost all political philosophy states a bunch of schemes that we are actually non-cognitive to, but sounds "socially cool", you're going to get some wacky names. Anarcho-fascism (if the term is actually exists) is no more insane a term or concept than socialism, democracy, etc.
dont get me wrong, i think merging anarchy and fascism is absurd but these are not the answers I am looking for, I am not wanting an opinion or critique on anarcho-fascism, i want a further explaination of it...
I don't think there is a further explanation. The two terms--and the beliefs that are ascribed to them--are contradictory to one another.
anarchism:fascism::chastity:promiscuity
"All men having power ought to be distrusted to a certain degree." -James Madison
"If government were efficient, it would cease to exist."
Wikipedia redirected me to this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho_fascism
It seems like it's more of a racially/ethnically based anarcho-syndicalism than anything. People have tacked on the term "fascist" becaues it has echos of the Nazi's racial propaganda, so "anarcho-fascism" seems like a misnomer.
Really? Look at the post above you. ;-P
Huh, I'll be damned.
Anarcho-fascism sounds like a mischaracterization, much like the one this buffoon is peddling.
National-Anarchism is not the same as Anarcho-Fascism.
It's unclear whether Anarcho-Fascism was ever a serious train of thought in anybody's mind or was just satire.
Assuming it was, the basic idea is that Anarchism must be brought about through rigid authoritarianism; not as unorthdox as it sounds, since this is essentially what Communism aimed for. Though the "brand" of Anarchism which Anarcho-Fascism aims for is unclear. I'm assuming it's probably some kind of Propertarian one.
You can't just attach "anarcho-" to anything and have it mean something. Fascism is socialism is the antithesis of any kind of stateless society.
Just as you cannot attach "socialism" to anything and have it mean something, just as those early anarchist were socialists, etc.
Of course you can attach Anarcho and Fasism together. The ideology is that you bring about Anarchism via a totalitarian State, so it makes "sense" internally.
Likg I said, this isn't as unorthodox as it first appears considering Marxian Communism aims for this.
Were you responding to me? If so, not sure what your point is - that I've misused the term socialism?
In a way, yes.
....and?
And?
And if you were responding to my comment, suggesting that I was misusing "socialism," then perhaps you would say why/how? Or not, just thought you might have something to say.
It's the same kids, or their younger brothers (or their sons in some cases) that were hammerskins trying to sexy up their neo-fascism with anarchist rhetoric. They'll pull out all the stops trying to convince you otherwise, but the connection between nationalist anarchists and other groups like NSM is so obvious their claims are laughable. I think there's about a dozen of these fuckers total.*
*(guessing, but from a vague memory of reading about it, so it's an educated guess, not an attempt at demonization. I left that part to calling them fuckers.)
Ha, I forgot about Hammerskins. Ironically there's this bar/club around here that ended up becoming a "Hammerskins," the irony , to my surprise, is that years prior The Casualties played there (before they totally sucked) and things were getting "out of hand."
EDIT: Had to look this up, name is actually Hammerheads, but their logo looked pretty R.A.C. to me.
I think there's a very big misunderstanding of what Anarcho-Fascism is around here. Anarcho-Fascism is NOT National-Anarchism.
National-Anarchism is closer to Anarcho-Syndicalism with blatant, express racism.
Anarcho-Fascism seems to have used the word "Fascism" rather loosely to mjean "Totalitarian".
I honestly don't know why I'm talking so much about an ideology which was most likely invented as joke or satire, but here I am.
The point is Anarcho-Fascism is not National-Anarchism.
Fascism from how i understand it, italian fascism. Is actually a merger between private and public. It is when the the state restricts competition and operates a business but within a private framework, ie for profit and sometimes even amongst competition at times. So anarcho-fascism could technically never exist by that definition of fascism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Fascism#Economy
People of the time apparently started to associate the term fascism with nazi'ism, at the time fascism was more popular than socialism. Which is what nazi'ism was actually practising, totalitarian socialism. But when fascism came synonymous with Mussolini and nazi'ism all the countries that were using at the time, from south America to Europe. They all changed to fabian socialism. Which was all about democracy and then the new enemy became communism. To put it basically.
Moreover, Italian Fascism was (officially) neither atheist nor racist — provided the colonized folk agreed to Italianisation and swore fealty to Il Duce, (See: Racial classification).[59] Just as Italian Jews were allowed membership in the National Fascist Party, in metropolitan Italy,[61][62] in the Libyan colony, Muslims were Fascist Party members via the Muslim Association of the Lictor.[63] In a unity ceremony, a Libyan chief awarded Prime Minister Mussolini an ancient Yemeni Sword of Islam artefact.[64] East Africans were allowed to serve with Italians in the MVSN Colonial Militia.[65]
So in some ways fascism in an economic and political sense got labelled with the racism and dictatorship brush. When realy it was just a different type of government system. Which was unfortunate enough to have such evil and despotic people as Mussolini use it. People get very annoyed with me when i point all this out, especially when i call nazi'ism totalitarian socialism, because that is essentially what current modern day western government practice, totalitarian socialism but there is still aspect of fascism left in today's political systems or governments.
sound similar to my anarcho-keynesian idea.