http://pastebin.com/irj4Fyd5
Question: Was the above information ultimately copy and pasted from some publication by COINTELPRO?
To paraphrase Marc Faber: We're all doomed, but that doesn't mean that we can't make money in the process. Rabbi Lapin: "Let's make bricks!" Stephan Kinsella: "Say you and I both want to make a German chocolate cake."
Nice. There is no doubt that the Pentagon and probably other Federal agencies are operating active "information warfare" units that have a presence on Internet forums. How could the government not troll, it's like the biggest IRL troll ever!
Clayton -
Clayton: Nice. There is no doubt that the Pentagon and probably other Federal agencies are operating active "information warfare" units that have a presence on Internet forums. How could the government not troll, it's like the biggest IRL troll ever! Clayton -
My tax dollars pay people to play on forums all day long:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/mar/17/us-spy-operation-social-networks
"The Centcom contract stipulates that each fake online persona must have a convincing background, history and supporting details, and that up to 50 US-based controllers should be able to operate false identities from their workstations "without fear of being discovered by sophisticated adversaries".
Centcom spokesman Commander Bill Speaks said: "The technology supports classified blogging activities on foreign-language websites to enable Centcom to counter violent extremist and enemy propaganda outside the US."
He said none of the interventions would be in English, as it would be unlawful to "address US audiences" with such technology, and any English-language use of social media by Centcom was always clearly attributed. The languages in which the interventions are conducted include Arabic, Farsi, Urdu and Pashto.
Centcom said it was not targeting any US-based web sites, in English or any other language, and specifically said it was not targeting Facebook or Twitter."
Right, because the government has never done that before: http://levees.org/personal-attacks-and-lies-posted-to-internet-by-army-corps-of-engineers-about-new-orleans-citizens/
As I was reading the OP, I was laughing as I was imagining these trolling agents as thinking highly of themselves for being so great at what they do. Like, they probably wear headsets with mics as they go on trolling raids.
Hey, it's all about effectiveness on the margin. Ever since 911, the gov has been all over muslim forums, doing serious intel work and lead development, angling themselves into mod positions and much more.
I don't think anyone on the Mises forums is ever likely to become a combatant, much as we may think the us gov illegitimate, due to our commitment generally to the NAP, so, like, w/e man.
@ Clayton
Lol,
Is the Real face of
Neodoxy:
I've lurked on these forums for quite some time, and I always get suspicious when someone joins the forums and then immediatly starts asking about "militant" actions or something of that nature. Who thinks like that? Oh, hey, I like the what ideology x is saying. So...when do we blow stuff up?
It's just creepy.
they probably wear headsets with mics as they go on trolling raids
This made me laugh so much, I couldn't resist photoshopping it!
Dumbass government trolls.
Daniel Muffinburg: Neodoxy: uh oh!
uh oh!
When Clayton finally exposed himself, the truth finally become clear.
hey does anybody know about the social media monitoring software that is supposed to track aggregated emotions? Like supposedly they predicted the revolution in egypt by a spike in the percentage of negative adjectives or whatever:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14841018
@Malachi: I think these analysis ideas are poppycock. They ignore two key things - 1) the most valuable facts - in terms of predicting the future - are locked inside the mind of the decision-maker alone until the moment he or she makes the decision and 2) most information is copy/paste, that is, the Internet is a giant echo-chamber. Also, the Egyptian "revolution" was not. The regime was toppled by foreign intelligence, I think mostly Mossad but likely CIA, MI6 and even French foreign intelligence were involved.
The funny thing about the Egyptian uprising is apparently many people "on the street" knew of it well in advance. I used to work with a fellow who owned a factory in Egypt, and he told me that several days before it began the doorman at his hotel there told him it was good he was departing for the US that day because "big things" were about to happen. My acquaintance asked him "what things"? And the man just smiled and said "big things - good things" and wished him a safe trip.
The Keystone Kops in our intelligence agencies were of course "totally surprised."
I think this is appropriate:
Anyways...
Hey guys, what is austrian economics? Do you have a meeting? At what time? Who goes? What is monetary policy? What are the goals of the austrians?
“Since people are concerned that ‘X’ will not be provided, ‘X’ will naturally be provided by those who are concerned by its absence.""The sweetest of minds can harbor the harshest of men.”
http://voluntaryistreader.wordpress.org
Also, the Egyptian "revolution" was not. The regime was toppled by foreign intelligence, I think mostly Mossad but likely CIA, MI6 and even French foreign intelligence were involved.
Is it possible to (and I know you don't like this) prove that? It makes little sense to me that the US would spend 70 billion dollars keeping Mubarak in power and then one day "roll the dice" with al-quaeda.
It seems equally unlikely that Libya was anything more than a roll of the dice, not a coordinateed plan.
Like, when you say "mostly Mossad," what "evidence" do you have to run on? It seems to me the only connection betwen the US that can be made is through the National Endowment for Democracy...which is not a paramilitary CIA operation, but a State Dept. foreign propaganda network.
did you hear how he died? He was making a run for safe quarters when drone strikes decimated the convoy. Gaddafi escaped his vehicle and his location (after he left the vehicle) was sent to a squad of nato special ops guys. They found him in a ditch, shot him in both legs, and linked up with the nearest rebel unit and told them where to find gaddafi. One-hundred percent deniable, dirty as shit.
Well, a few things.
The State of Israel considers the Middle East in general their backyard. It's their turf. Egypt, in particular, has been a special target of the State of Israel (think 1948, 1967, 1973, et. al.) and has doubtless been infested with Mossad agents for decades. Hence, if the Egypt "revolution" was an intelligence operation, Mossad would doubtless have been playing the lead role. We know that intelligence operatives were, in fact, on the ground in Egypt and the other Arab Spring countries. For example, we know that Otpor! was involved in all the Arab spring revolutions (the clenched-fist is their trademark). This organization got its start in the Kosovo wars and was a catalyst in the downfall of Milosevic. Modeled on old-fashioned communist revolutionary techniques, Otpor! today has many links to CIA but its origins are unknown. Eastern Europe, again, is an area where Mossad is highly active, so perhaps Otpor! originated in Tel Aviv.
While Mubarak had CIA ties and Egypt got big bucks from the US in the form of "foreign aid" (second only to Israel), it is ridiculous to suggest that Mubarak and Egypt were merely US puppets or that the primary interest of USG in Egypt is "democracy".
As for Libya, the involvement of Europe/US through NATO aerial interference is blatantly obvious. Hell, French intelligence is said to have been the ones that killed Gaddafi. The film had all the marks of a "mafia hit" meant to make a public example and teach a lesson to unspecified others. Don't threaten to rat on Sarkozy.
I'm sure that if the Egyptian 'democratizing' was an intellegence game then Israel would be all up in it. I just don't see that as the case. Not in Egypt.
Also consider this, we in the US were told that Egypt was some kind of social media revolution, that twitter helped bring so many to the streets...I happen to think that it had to do with wheat prices going up 70% in a few months. 80% of Egypt is illiterate, twitter isn't doing anything for them.
I suspect that Egypt was an aggravated revolution. Egypt has key US military installations that Libya, Syria, et al didn't. We saved Mubarak and have tried to use our influence (in whatever forms) to hold control over their military (just as we do everything we can to control the civilian government of Pakistan); shit, we hold whatever we can. I think "rolling the dice" is a last resort.
And I don't think "killing" bin Laden was a last resort despite the Raymond Davis incident that led to Abbotabod.
I never claimed that. I mentioned that a propaganda front of the state dept. that happens to have that word in the title was in operation there. I think that it is an intelligence game, but I don't think it is to "install a leader" because that is short term. I think they (the West) are trying to take over the political parties in any "democracy" that springs up (or that they manage to aaggravaate into existence). One leader is 70 billion and a plethora of TOP SECRET inforamtion, manipulation of a semi democratic autarchy might seem less stable, but may result in a better grip of the system, especially since after "democratizing" there is always the possibility of open public support of the system..
Yes, when I think about that whole deal I've got to think that taking The G-man out of Libya was a last resort. It was a roll of the dice because we didn't have anything to put in his place. We hired out and helped two different factions in Libya in a desperate bid to get him. I also think that the wikileaks drop with all of the dirt on the G-man and Berlusconi, etc. must have pissed him off. It may have undermined some of his legitimacy and then he called out Sarkozy specifically so Sarkozy paid a little more to have him assassinated.
As for not putting anything in place in Libya...I won't mention who, but they have a reasonable case for the Romney allies within the defense and intelligence apparatus that helped that video as well as the "lack of adequate security" problem that has led to such an embarrassing incident for Obama. The Western power elite have put their weight behind Romney. They even have Obama on the debate leash. Romney is like a rhetorical bulldog and Obama is a bitch in heat ready to get it rough...
aggravated revolution
OK? The point is that every single country toppled in the Arab Spring was, domestically, in equilibrium in some sense. But part of that equilibrium was the external meddling. Somebody went around the Middle East and "kicked out the supports out" and we watched the whole region come toppling down.
"killing" bin Laden
Bin Laden was dead by December 2001. "Bin Laden" was killed in Abbottabad - probably one of the CIA body doubles in those shitty "bin Laden" videos released where he changes his mind and takes responsibility for 9/11 after initially denying any involvement. It was time to retire the increasingly absurd Emmanuel Goldstein avatar.
taking The G-man out of Libya was a last resort. It was a roll of the dice because we didn't have anything to put in his place.
We officially began a long march to "The New American Century" on 9/11/2001. The project had been in the works for decades prior. The invasion of much the Middle East (and destabilization of the rest, except the crown jewels orbiting Saudi Arabia) was planned from the get-go. Watch this.
Of course, I think the neocons themselves are slated to get screwed over in Iran. They've been told that their job is to set up a global empire by conquering the Asian continent. How silly. Of course the neocons aren't going to conquer the Asian continent and set up a global empire. The Elites would never trust them with that kind of work.
How are you about to link to stuff like that while you call the stuff I point out propaganda? The Washington Institute? Having said that, it was decent.
Aggravated as internal to controlled and external.
Yeah, I think the whole region is still sitting underneath the power structure from the 80s. The one that changed drastically for the rest of the world in the interim.
You missed the point of my statement. Are you familiar with the Raymond Davis incident?
We "killed" "Goldstein" in order to give us popular support in the even that Pakistan declare war on us after the Pakistanis captured a CIA operative with dirty reciepts, weapons, and cameras (this not reported by the western media for two months). It was not last resort, but it was a large permenant psychologically strategic asset that we let go. Maybe Obama is acting on his own and screwing things up for certain handlers?
Yes, yes.
I don't think the U.S. & NATO will go over as easily as you do...but yes, "rolling the dice" on these countries (in that we don't know if what replaces them is Pro-US or not) is just as dangerous for us (the West) as it is for them (everyone else).
Hilarious thread, I love the idea of "Government Trolling Agent".
However there's a thing I don't understand. While the Internet has obviously changed our civilization in many ways, it still fails as mean to organize politics, especially an effective resistance to encroachment on civil rights and individual liberties. While our enlightened overlords would like us to believe the Egyptians used Facebook or Twitter to organize their stillborn revolution, I find hard to believe an oppressive regime as Mubarak's didn't monitor social networks for any sign of dissent, especially considering they were fully backed by the US government which has most Internet companies on a leash.
So why waste time trolling forums frequented by people who have exactly zero chance to influence politics, specially when the Internet is already awash in trolls who will do all the dirty work, and for free?
I am ready to concede social forums chiefly used by young Muslim men are targeted by government operations but that has more to do with the insane clima of paranoia we live in right now than with a real will to "infiltrate" the Internet.
Is it possible to (and I know you don't like this) prove that? It makes little sense to me that the US would spend 70 billion dollars keeping Mubarak in power and then one day "roll the dice" with al-quaeda. It seems equally unlikely that Libya was anything more than a roll of the dice, not a coordinateed plan. Like, when you say "mostly Mossad," what "evidence" do you have to run on? It seems to me the only connection betwen the US that can be made is through the National Endowment for Democracy...which is not a paramilitary CIA operation, but a State Dept. foreign propaganda network.
If you go browse around on InfoWars, I recall Alex Jones has a bunch of official Pentagon documents that have basically identified the Internet as the "battleground of the 21st century" and they don't mean Denial-of-Service attacks... they mean the information available on the Internet. Whatever trolling the Pentagon (or Langley or whoever, doesn't really matter) does on social media is doubtless work that is done by the lowest-level infowar grunts, but it is definitely work they are interested in. In particular, the Pentagon will want to slow the spread of true information and one way to do this is "jamming". In war zones, old-school jamming is accomplished by transmitting extremely high-power, broadband noise across all radio channels. Radio reception becomes impossible across wide areas as all you can hear is static on every channel. The role of information-warfare agents (yes, this is a real MOS designation) who engage social media is identical: just generate lots of noise. Doesn't really matter what you talk about, so long as it isn't important to the Pentagon for people not to be talking about it and as long as it attracts the attention of lots of people in the particular social medium, thus "squelching" all other discussion.
Case and point why we shouldn't call them "chemtrails"...
Al Gore--What's your point?
Do you honestly think the gov is targeting the Mises forums? We, who adhere to the NAP and are not interested in violent overthrow or revolution?
I suppose we're supposed to trust you because you 'invented the internet'? :P
LMAO!
I'm just posting some stuff that may be of interest.
Clayton, what you say is something I have heard from respectable (meaning no "I was abducted by aliens from Zeta Reticuli who gave me an anal probe and a message for mankind") UFOlogists in the past decades. They squarely pointed the finger towards both "whistleblowers" and "well informed types" like John Lear (who candidly admitted having worked as a pilot for the CIA in Laos): their scope was to generate "static". For what scope I cannot tell since they probably didn't know either.
The big difference is back then you had to put your name on a book or your face in front of a crowd. If you said you were a former USAF captain from Dayton, Ohio, people would go to incredible lengths to see if you were telling the truth about your wereabouts. Now you can work in complete anonimate or even use a false identity (meaning IP address). That's both the blessing and the curse of the Internet.
I also suspect what I saw back in the days was a shape of things to come. Manipulation of the flow of information, "plants", psy-war exercises, terror tactics, "exercises of general synthesis"... they all hinted something sinister was going on but it was all on a small scale. After all we were a small community back in the days. Right now the Internet has well over a billion users.