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Wulf Posted: Thu, Mar 10 2011 10:08 AM

 

   I'm curious about the views on some things. A quick example. In an anarchist (libertarian) society, how would a society, or collections of peoples deal with another person or group that successfully harbored and utilized slavery. Not a company, or business, but a self sustaining person or family. Obviously there are a myriad of options, but just curious about peoples theorized responses. Thanks, 

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John Ess replied on Thu, Mar 10 2011 11:01 AM

It seems to me that if slaves knew an anarchist society was nearby (whatever type the anarchism was), they'd escape to it and be absorbed into that society.  Other than that, I don't see how slavery would be profitable in the small family situation.  It's hard enough being a small family business now due to insufficient capital, but this family would have two things against it:  bad PR and also the inability to compete with the productivity that comes from wages.  It seems like it was profitable under certain conditions of agrarianism and early agriculture with a full ideological support of it.  Which also came with a complex set of laws and foreign policy which implimented such unfair treatment of people, usually from abroad. 

Push comes to shove, the anarchists would be able to fight the slave owners the same as virtually every system that wants an end to slavery.  Since it is against the NAP to enslave, since it depends on the crime of aggression.  Another person can never be their property, so it is not against even property rights to take it away from them.

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As a preliminary question to the OP; are we assuming an ancap society with indentured servitude (as it would be), or w/o (as some would want to think it would)?

In States a fresh law is looked upon as a remedy for evil. Instead of themselves altering what is bad, people begin by demanding a law to alter it. ... In short, a law everywhere and for everything!

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Bogart replied on Wed, Sep 19 2012 10:57 PM

I would also give refuge to any slave or indentured servant who could get onto my property.  Then I would solicit the help of others who agree with me.  So without government the holder would not be able to enter my property without my permission to get the slave or servant back as I would not respect the person or their future labor as an item of property.  So the holder would have to go in front of an arbitrator to first decide if the person on my property is in fact the slave or servant.  Then another arbitrator would have to decide the condition of the person seeking refuge and if the contract of the holder allows for the holder to get the slave back.  Assuming the arbitrator agreed with the holder on both issues, which is probably not likely, and then another arbitrator would have to settle the contract dispute between me and the holder for the holder to enter my property, of course the holder would be responsible for any/all damages to any other persons or any of my property.  (This could get expensive as well if I would say chain myself to the slave)  You can see that this gets very messy.  All of this for 1 single slave.  Without government and its power of arbitrary force and immunity from liability, there is not a lot of recourse for the holder who would have the daunting task of keeping his slaves/servants off of property of people who do not respect the original contract into slavery/servitude.

And I have not mentioned the effects of ostracism on the holder.  If I and all of my friends (Like Wal-Mart) would decide not to do business with such a person as the holder then what is that person to do to survive?  In a free society your survival would not be dependent on government force but on the willingness of others to do business with you.

You are assuming that slavery was even possible without government force.  Without the power of government to violate persons or property at will, the slavery in the USA would have ended long before 1863.  There would be no way to have slaves in Virginia or North Carolina or any other border state given that people against slavery would be right along the border providing refuge.

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