Adam seems pretty friendly towards anarcho-syndicalism, mainly by stating that it's directly compatible with Voluntaryism. I'd like to hear the thoughts of people here on anarcho-syndicalism being that I only know the gist of what it is, and I'm certainly not familiar with all of the details that could describe it's failure or it's goodness.
So is Catalonia headed in the right direction with using anarcho-syndicalism, or do they have it all wrong?
I agree with this statement. If people voluntarily engage in anarcho-syndicalism AND have the option to leave at any time for any reason then it is compatable with voluntarism. I do not agree that it can exist as a social organization without an agent of violence. Any such scheme has three problems two short term: the "Tragedy of the Commons", where majorities steal from minorities and the "Hayekian Knowledge Problem", and one longer term, the "Calculation Problem". If the society is extraordinarily productive, peaceful and unambitious then they could maybe beat the short term problems but can not solve the "Calculation Problem" without a free market system of prices. And NO system based upon distribution through crude democracy can have a rational pricing system.
Yes. But it sure is better than what Spain has now, and these are also the guys who rebelled against a certain Nazi-backed tyrant by the name of Franco, which earns them respect in my book.
"Anarcho-syndicalists seek to abolish the wage system, regarding it as wage slavery, and state or private ownership of the means of production, which they believe lead to class divisions."
That is not at all compatible with voluntaryism. It's explicitly a use and endorsement of state power and force to abolish voluntary contracts.
I think that's talking about pure syndicalism. In anarcho-syndicalism, this is the way things would happen, but you can't force people to go along with it. Otherwise, it ceases to be anarchy.
You know what? I changed my mind. Anarcho-syndicalism sucks. Anything that tries to incorporate socialism into anarchism does. It's just like with Cuba. Castro used the anarchists there as puppets to strengthen his Revolution and then, when he was in power, cracked down on the same anarchists that supported them, with many of them fleeing to the States.
So yeah. A little unimpressed with the ideology of the Popular Front of Spain.
Well it doesnt matter. As long as you can voluntarily get out of the socialist hell hole, let em have it. We will sit back in our capitalist piece of land, while they sit over there with their anarchosocialistic system. As long as no one aggresses.
But it is evident that the capitalist system will grow so much and dwarf the system of syndicalism that it wont even be much of a thought...
“Since people are concerned that ‘X’ will not be provided, ‘X’ will naturally be provided by those who are concerned by its absence.""The sweetest of minds can harbor the harshest of men.”
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It's more accurate to say that Franco — and really Sanjurjo and Mola (who died during the civil war) — rebelled against the Spanish Second Republic.
Yeah, I really shouldn't have used the word "rebelled."