There is no State. No, I'm not talking about Somalia. And I'm not talking about medieval Iceland either. Not about some allegorical society in a popular novel, nor a cyber-punk video game scenario. This is not about some hypothetical past, some ideal future or some distant land of pure imagination. I'm talking about the realest of all worlds: the one which is right here, right now. The one with all the governments and political parties and bureaucrats. The one where people are send to war and die for their countries. The one where people cash checks from the social security. The one where everyone talks about the State and it seem so omnipresent. Yet, despite all that evidence, I maintain: there is no State. Not only there is no State, there could be no such a thing as a State. Not in any possible real world. The State is a purely mythological entity, a God. It is still worshiped by many, and believed by many. And this belief may affect many real decisions and outcomes. But the State itself does not exist. And as the State does not exist, there has never been anything in the world that was run by it. Therefore, there is little point in manifesting opposition to the State itself, or idealizing a society free from it. We can't get rid of it since it doesn't exist.
This becomes clear once we realize this fact: purposeful violence is an economic resource. Violence is the infliction of pain and suffering upon others. And purposeful violence is violence used rationally, as a means to achieve certain ends. Or even as an end in itself, as a direct pleasure inducing activity. A number of beasts revel during acts of violence. Controlled violence is always a scarce means. Producing it involves time and material consumption as well as other costs and risks. And the costs of producing effective violence can be reduced if labor is divided and organized. Of course, these economies of scale can be realized up to a certain point. Pretty much like any other commodity in the world, purposeful violence is subjected to market forces of supply and demand, of diminishing returns and so on. But the ways purposeful violence is applied in practice by concrete decision takers reveal general patterns that are somewhat interesting.
Okay. Do you have a deeper point?
We'd like to get rid of the institutions in this world which act as monopolies on law over specific geographical areas.
I could make an equally strong argument that you don't exist either, but this doesn't do much in helping us move forward.
I don't exist, I did not post this, therefore it's pointless asking me to remove it.
I am a towel.
Like every other scarce resource, purposeful violence has different possible uses, and so it needs to be is economized. Which means that concrete decision takers will establish priorities and compromises so they can best employ their own supply of violence to their best advantage. But none of this is remarkable of violence as a resource. You could change the word "violence" by the word "oil" and all the preceding statements remain. What is very peculiar of violence are the preferential uses realized by concrete real world decision takers given concrete real world situations. These preferential uses generate patterns of decision and these patterns reveal themselves almost everywhere. Something similar happens when the monetary patterns emerge from the distinct usage of certain commodities as currency. These economic patterns motivate the consideration of money as a specially interesting subject of economic analysis. The same is valid for land, labor, energy and many other resource markets featuring peculiar patterns of decision taking determining how these resources are actually put to use. Violence can be used to acquire resources already claimed by others decision taking units. And violence is sometimes used as pastime, as a direct source of amusement. But the chief practical use of purposeful violence, and the source of almost all its value, is the cancellation of outer violence, from the perspective of the decision unit. And these uses are often prioritized. There are degrees of cancellation of outer violence. You may first want cancel it out of existence, or almost. But this can be too costly and not realistically achievable. The realistic option may be to cancel it to a given extent. There are several ways these deals of mutual cancelation can take place. From peaceful independent coexistence to the relationship between a liege lord and a vassal. Or you may see yourself in the unfortunate position of not having enough violence means to bargain any deal.
You seem to be thinking about this issue as if ethical issues were immaterial.
When you say 'purposeful violence' you mean the aggression of the state.
And the aggression of the state is unjust. And that is one of the most important reasons to oppose it.
Your first post is the realization that first turned me into an AnCap.
More specifically, the ideas I lay out in this article:
http://voluntaryistreader.wordpress.com/2012/12/06/social-stability-rule-of-law-and-the-free-society/
And the ones I will lay out in a future article relating to courts (that's where I really had an issue).
This sketch for an economic understanding of the use of violence as means will help us drive our point home. And the point was, I recall, that whole "The State doesn't exist" deal. So here's the thing... The State doesn't exist because it is meant to be the solution to a set of so-called problems by an entity that can neither have, much less solve, any problem. And that entity is Society. Society is the complex result of people acting and interacting with each other. And except in the fantasyland of political rhetorics, Society doesn't have needs or problems or decision capabilities. And since there are no social problems, there can be no problem solving mechanisms dedicated to solving them. Hence, the non-existence of the State. All we have are different markets. Markets are the complex patterns of allocation of scarce resources produced by the repeated interaction of rational decision takers.
How actual markets are gonna play depend on circumstances that determine the relative scarcity of the different means.
When the costs or risks of engaging in violence production and exchange are generally high, and the potential benefits are too low or too uncertain, the decisions takers will consider moving towards alternative solutions. When the situation is reverse, there will be blood. Political organizations shift resources in order to alter the net balance of mutual cancelation on violence bargains. And what is generally perceived as State and Anarchy are actually patterns of economic interaction between political organizations dedicated to mobilize purposeful violence in order to cancel each other out and achieve other goals.
Anyone else feel like they're on the opposite side of an echo chamber which only goes one way?
That blog is looking more awesome every time I see it. Nice job, guys.
Yes, the state doesn't exist. It's a concept, a category. But as a concept it has manifest value: when two or more people agree on what is meant by state, then they can engage in meaningful communication about it.
And like others have pointed out, if state means geographical monopoly of violence, then anarchists aren't opposed to statism.
(OP) Reads like a parody of David Friedman somehow. Writing's not very clear, or perhaps a bit insular.
hashem:And like others have pointed out, if state means geographical monopoly of violence, then anarchists aren't opposed to statism.
Schwa? The heck are you talking about. Anarchs are explicitly against a geographical monopoly of violence. I certainly am. We want competition for rights eforcement.
You merely assume we'll use law to make sure some set of laws are the active ones in a region. I thought I already explained why and how that can be avoided entirely while preserving voluntarism.
So, I completely disagree with you here.
Anarchists (almost universally) advocate:
1. morals enforcement (aka law enforcement, or rules enforcement, or instert-your-prefered-euphemism-for-rationalized-violence)
2. the individual's right to use violence in defense (often not even defensive violence, but outright preemptive violence in anticipation of violation of property rights)
These are examples of geographical monopolies of violence. At the minimalist end, the individual is the monopolist, at the collective end enforcement agencies are monopolies.
hashem: Anarchists (almost universally) advocate: 1. morals enforcement (aka law enforcement, or rules enforcement, or instert-your-prefered-euphemism-for-rationalized-violence)
Sure. Except that everybody advocates morals enforcement, meaning there's no coercion going on here. People are grouping together and voluntarily supporting morals enforcement. Even the crooks are supporting morals enforcement, as that makes their 'profession' more profitable, and even they want rights protections generally, when they're not violating someone else's.
There could only be statism in morals enforcement if anarchs decided a particular set of morals HAD to be enforced on others, no matter what they say.
This isn't how I envision is will go down. I think people will group together via wide agreement on particular moral sets in a free society, creating morals enforcement while preserving every inch of voluntarism. And this wouldn't be over some set geographic region, but only under the individual's own property and those whom have subscribed to the same set of laws.
Whither statism?
hashem: 2. the individual's right to use violence in defense (often not even defensive violence, but outright preemptive violence in anticipation of violation of property rights)
First of all, it's reasonable to use force to stop the credible threat of force. If the other disagrees they can sue you in an objective court and have it decide if you were being reasonable or not. But I don't see how statism comes into play at all. It's not aggression to responsible to the imminent threat of force with defensive coercion.
hashem:These are examples of geographical monopolies of violence. At the minimalist end, the individual is the monopolist, at the collective end enforcement agencies are monopolies.
In a free society, enforcement agencies would not be monopolies.
And while private property has been described as having a monopoly over property I don't think that's quite in the same category, nor the definition of statism. Like, "You own land, STATIST!" What sense does that make.
So, I guess I need more elucidation, not seein' it.
There's nothing in the principles of libertarianism that says there has to be any particular set of laws. We just think that if people weren't being held captive to a particular law set that they'd likely choose to be free generally and thus eventually arrive where we are now. But, a free society can tolerate socialists who want to live under socialist ethical principles and govern themselves under those precepts.
I suppose we hold certain ethical principles to be axiomatic and self-evident, like voluntarism, but that doesn't automatically denote statism.
Neodoxy: Okay. Do you have a deeper point? We'd like to get rid of the institutions in this world which act as monopolies on law over specific geographical areas. I could make an equally strong argument that you don't exist either, but this doesn't do much in helping us move forward.
xahrx: I don't exist, I did not post this, therefore it's pointless asking me to remove it. I am a towel.
Anenome: You seem to be thinking about this issue as if ethical issues were immaterial. When you say 'purposeful violence' you mean the aggression of the state. And the aggression of the state is unjust. And that is one of the most important reasons to oppose it.
I'm sorry, just your prose isn't very clear, and I don't know what to make of it.
Wheylous: Your first post is the realization that first turned me into an AnCap. More specifically, the ideas I lay out in this article: http://voluntaryistreader.wordpress.com/2012/12/06/social-stability-rule-of-law-and-the-free-society/ And the ones I will lay out in a future article relating to courts (that's where I really had an issue).
Neodoxy: Anyone else feel like they're on the opposite side of an echo chamber which only goes one way?
I just wanted to post all my core arguments before I started addressing any remark. I have no interest in preaching, I'm here to have a goodtime and maybe learn new things.
I apologize anyway.
Hashem: Yes, the state doesn't exist. It's a concept, a category. But as a concept it has manifest value: when two or more people agree on what is meant by state, then they can engage in meaningful communication about it. And like others have pointed out, if state means geographical monopoly of violence, then anarchists aren't opposed to statism.
Anenome: (OP) Reads like a parody of David Friedman somehow. Writing's not very clear, or perhaps a bit insular.
Anenome: I'm sorry, just your prose isn't very clear, and I don't know what to make of it.
That's ok.
hashem: Anarchists (almost universally) advocate: 1. morals enforcement (aka law enforcement, or rules enforcement, or instert-your-prefered-euphemism-for-rationalized-violence) 2. the individual's right to use violence in defense (often not even defensive violence, but outright preemptive violence in anticipation of violation of property rights) These are examples of geographical monopolies of violence. At the minimalist end, the individual is the monopolist, at the collective end enforcement agencies are monopolies.