Peter Thiel, a SIAI (http://www.singinst.org/) donar, endorses Ron Paul. http://people.ronpaul2008.com/endorsements/2007/12/22/peter-thiel/
I presume that anarchists and some left-libertarians are much less likely to be singularitarians. Am I correct?
As a singularitarian, I do believe in IP to protect artificial intelligence ideas and algorithms.
Forgive my ignorance, but what is singularitarianism exactly? Has it anything to do with individuals like Kurzweil and Marvin Minsky?
The Singularity requires IP?
Open source initiatives and the Creative Commons and Copy-left licenses would seem to be better suited to bringing it about than traditional patents and copyrights.
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Point 4 on the wiki article )A Singularitarian believes the Singularity should benefit the entire world, and should not be a means to benefit any specific individual or group.
this is a tad socialist, no ?
Where there is no property there is no justice; a proposition as certain as any demonstration in Euclid
Fools! not to see that what they madly desire would be a calamity to them as no hands but their own could bring
Singularity, meet Neo. I'm your worst nightmare!
So you want to create an entity that is smart enough to prove or disprove God's existence and then trust a group of guys and gals to not use it's/their power against the non-group? Of course, the raw power of nukes and knives are a threat, but the power of reason beyond reason would be exponentially more powerful. In fact, if such an entity were to be 'created', wouldn't it simply use reason to have you do as it says? Couldn't it just brainwash all the 'useful idiots' and have them wage it's wars and produce it's offspring? I don't see how something like this could be safely created, assuming it's 'brain' is as advanced as I project. Hopefully the 'collective brains' of the human race could defend against such, but one tear in the collection and all hell breaks loose!
This is cool stuff. Sounds like a cult!
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"The vision of the Austrian must be greater than the blindness of the sheeple." - pairunoyd
nirgrahamUK: Point 4 on the wiki article )A Singularitarian believes the Singularity should benefit the entire world, and should not be a means to benefit any specific individual or group. this is a tad socialist, no ?
gplauche: The Singularity requires IP?Open source initiatives and the Creative Commons and Copy-left licenses would seem to be better suited to bringing it about than traditional patents and copyrights.
libertarian: nirgrahamUK: Point 4 on the wiki article )A Singularitarian believes the Singularity should benefit the entire world, and should not be a means to benefit any specific individual or group. this is a tad socialist, no ? Already discussed: http://www.mail-archive.com/agi@v2.listbox.com/msg07642.html I saw four persons who are both libertarian & singularitarian replied:http://www.mail-archive.com/agi@v2.listbox.com/msg07673.htmlhttp://www.mail-archive.com/agi@v2.listbox.com/msg07740.htmlhttp://www.mail-archive.com/agi@v2.listbox.com/msg07739.htmlhttp://www.mail-archive.com/agi@v2.listbox.com/msg07708.htmlSeems like singularitarians are more likely to be libertarians, since they are more open-minded and intelligent.
i dont think the responses posted quite address the particular criticism i was making.
roll back the historical clock some years; consider if an Aeroplanarian, gets together with a group of Aeroplanarians and together they have a common manifesto regarding bringing into the world a new technological product, a mode of transport through air, a flying machine. now imagine if they held strongly that:
An Aeroplanarian believes the Aeroplane should benefit the entire world, and should not be a means to benefit any specific individual or group.
maybe its not a good criticism, but its what occurred to me as i read point 4, and if you had wished to address it i believe that you havent yet(, not that you should. )
libertarian: gplauche: The Singularity requires IP?Open source initiatives and the Creative Commons and Copy-left licenses would seem to be better suited to bringing it about than traditional patents and copyrights. I don't think collective projects would get anyware, at least in singularity projects. Creativity in artificial intelligence requires individual uniqueness, not collective agreement. Democracy would not get anything done. Collaborate AI projects have failed.
I think you misunderstood me. I said nothing about democracy, at least not statist democracy. You are familiar with open source software and other open source projects, are you not?
Libertarian transhumanism and extropianism would seem to be germane to this debate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_transhumanism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extropianism
gplauche: libertarian: gplauche: The Singularity requires IP?Open source initiatives and the Creative Commons and Copy-left licenses would seem to be better suited to bringing it about than traditional patents and copyrights. I don't think collective projects would get anyware, at least in singularity projects. Creativity in artificial intelligence requires individual uniqueness, not collective agreement. Democracy would not get anything done. Collaborate AI projects have failed. I think you misunderstood me. I said nothing about democracy, at least not statist democracy. You are familiar with open source software and other open source projects, are you not?
nirgrahamUK: libertarian: nirgrahamUK: Point 4 on the wiki article )A Singularitarian believes the Singularity should benefit the entire world, and should not be a means to benefit any specific individual or group. this is a tad socialist, no ? Already discussed: http://www.mail-archive.com/agi@v2.listbox.com/msg07642.html I saw four persons who are both libertarian & singularitarian replied:http://www.mail-archive.com/agi@v2.listbox.com/msg07673.htmlhttp://www.mail-archive.com/agi@v2.listbox.com/msg07740.htmlhttp://www.mail-archive.com/agi@v2.listbox.com/msg07739.htmlhttp://www.mail-archive.com/agi@v2.listbox.com/msg07708.htmlSeems like singularitarians are more likely to be libertarians, since they are more open-minded and intelligent. i dont think the responses posted quite address the particular criticism i was making.roll back the historical clock some years; consider if an Aeroplanarian, gets together with a group of Aeroplanarians and together they have a common manifesto regarding bringing into the world a new technological product, a mode of transport through air, a flying machine. now imagine if they held strongly that:An Aeroplanarian believes the Aeroplane should benefit the entire world, and should not be a means to benefit any specific individual or group. maybe its not a good criticism, but its what occurred to me as i read point 4, and if you had wished to address it i believe that you havent yet(, not that you should. )
Singularitarianism is one of the silliest doomsday cults I've encountered, for people who don't understand the law of diminishing returns and the division of labor.
The fallacies of intellectual communism, a compilation - On the nature of power
One of the ironies of this singularity "project" is that we are already living within a singularity of sorts (probably the only type that could ever exist) - as described by LVM and Hayek: The market is a huge "mind" which operates beyond the ken of human individuals and brings us untold and almost limitless wealth.
Expanding and freeing this "giant mind" to keep it functioning at its best is perhaps not as sexy as talking about artificial super intelligences, but it has more benefits in the real world.
Brett_McS:One of the ironies of this singularity "project" is that we are already living within a singularity of sorts (probably the only type that could ever exist) - as described by LVM and Hayek: The market is a huge "mind" which operates beyond the ken of human individuals and brings us untold and almost limitless wealth. Expanding and freeing this "giant mind" to keep it functioning at its best is perhaps not as sexy as talking about artificial super intelligences, but it has more benefits in the real world.
Human society under the division of labor is already a form of superintelligence. No single human intelligence understands the whole of the system.
The acceleration of technological progress that singularists use as evidence for their crackpot theory is brought about by the increase in the number of humans in the division of labor. Instead of dreaming of technogod to deliver them from evil, they should learn the science of economics.
Stranger: Human society under the division of labor is already a form of superintelligence. No single human intelligence understands the whole of the system.
A 'collective intelligence' is indeed formidable, but a super, artificial intelligence might need only itself to effect a virtual collective intelligence. If a super intelligence is possible, could it ponder transcendentally or would it simply be a sort of mechanical atheist, like an enlightened beast, seeking what it may devour?
Clearly we are on the same wavelength, Stranger. I wonder how many in the "Singularity" community understand the super-intelligent nature of the market system? (There may be some at this site who do). Study of the market system may seem a little less dry and unimportant to this community if put in these sort of terms, but I think most are intent on chasing a will-o-the-wisp.
libertarian:People who are working for AGI algorithms must design them first before implementing them.
libertarian:It is impossible to collectively agree on a single algorithm. Therefore, open source AGI projects would get less people, since not everyone would agree on the algorithm.
libertarian:They have to get an incentive, like money, to contribute to a project that they don't agree on.
libertarian:Collective projects like IBM's CYC have failed. IBM spent millions of dollars on that project. OpenCyc (http://www.opencyc.org) has failed.
Corporations are an extension of the state.