I have to tell you guys, that I believe in less government, and that government shouldn't be the provider of everybody's needs in other words, a replacement of God. But God represents order, so I have the belief that anything that is represented in heaven is also represented here on Earth. Now anarchy is a sort of rebellion against the established order, or at least a form of utopia where government is absent. And I find it funny that in the same century that Austrian thought came out, was the same century when Aleister Crowley with his pagan thoughts came to embrace anarchy, echoed in his famous line "Do what thou wilt, shall be the rule of the law" and there are interpretations of it like self-awareness or whatever, but I do not want to approve of a guy that is rebelling against God. Also strangely, the site's shield symbol has a six sided star hexagram, which I thought initially was some bad to borrow from the occult. But anyway, don't want this to get out of hand here, but what do you guys think?
Laughing Man: Actually he is not far off. The bible is full of contradictory behavior. Asking to make peace yet saying God gives us the strength to make war. Slavery, female subservience yet claiming that we are all God's children.
Actually he is not far off. The bible is full of contradictory behavior. Asking to make peace yet saying God gives us the strength to make war. Slavery, female subservience yet claiming that we are all God's children.
And the bible gets right into it in Genesis:
3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
The Bible mandates free market capitalism. It is anti-socialist. The proof is here: 10,000 pages of exposition, verse by verse.
http://www.garynorth.com/public/department57.cfm
Fantastic article.
Seph: The Bible mandates free market capitalism. It is anti-socialist. The proof is here: 10,000 pages of exposition, verse by verse. http://www.garynorth.com/public/department57.cfm Fantastic article.
Fantastic as in fantasy?
It took me like 30 seconds to pick an article by him and see he is about as "free market" as Mike Huckabee. I was kind of embarrased after hearing people talk well about this guy and that he had received an award from LvMI. Then there is this quote from his wiki:
The stranger in ancient Israel did not serve as a judge, although he received all the benefits of living in the land. The political question is this: By what biblical standard is the pagan to be granted the right to bring political sanctions against God's people? We recognize that unbelievers are not to vote in Church elections. Why should they be allowed to vote in civil elections in a covenanted Christian nation? Which judicial standards will they impose? By what other standard than the Bible?"
God cannot be coherently defined. Ignoring that the text is full of blatant prejudice and contradiction, none of its adherent scholars can form a logical legal system from its precepts anyhow. Organized religion's threat to a free society is on par with Marxist mythology.
Democracy means the opportunity to be everyone's slave.—Karl Kraus.
Billy Lee: I have to tell you guys, that I believe in less government, and that government shouldn't be the provider of everybody's needs in other words, a replacement of God. But God represents order, so I have the belief that anything that is represented in heaven is also represented here on Earth. Now anarchy is a sort of rebellion against the established order, or at least a form of utopia where government is absent. And I find it funny that in the same century that Austrian thought came out, was the same century when Aleister Crowley with his pagan thoughts came to embrace anarchy, echoed in his famous line "Do what thou wilt, shall be the rule of the law" and there are interpretations of it like self-awareness or whatever, but I do not want to approve of a guy that is rebelling against God. Also strangely, the site's shield symbol has a six sided star hexagram, which I thought initially was some bad to borrow from the occult. But anyway, don't want this to get out of hand here, but what do you guys think?
Those who will not be governed by God will be ruled by tyrants.
"If we wish to preserve a free society, it is essential that we recognize that the desirability of a particular object is not sufficient justification for the use of coercion."
Esuric: Those who will not be governed by God will be ruled by tyrants.
This is nonsense. Please define god and while you're at it lay out his system of governance for us all to know. If god opposes "tyrants", how could he simultaneously create these people, let alone determine every action you would label tyrannical?
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Deleted it.
In the begining there was nothing, and it exploded.
Terry Pratchett (on the big bang theory)
P1: Thou shalt not steal. (Eighth Commandment)
P2: Taking something that belongs to someone else without their consent is stealing.
P3: Taxation entails taking something that belongs to someone else without their consent.
C1: Thou shalt not tax.
Proof
1: ~S
2: ~C ⊃ S
3: T ⊃ ~C
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4: C [from 1 and 2]
5: ~T [from 3 and 4]
"I cannot prove, but am prepared to affirm, that if you take care of clarity in reasoning, most good causes will take care of themselves, while some bad ones are taken care of as a matter of course." -Anthony de Jasay
E. R. Olovetto:Organized religion's threat to a free society is on par with Marxist mythology.
One doesn't have to be religious, to realize the insanity of that statement....
P1: Thou shalt not steal. (Eighth Commandment) P2: Taking something that belongs to someone else without their consent is stealing.
February 17 - 1600 - Giordano Bruno is burnt alive by the catholic church. Aquinas : "much more reason is there for heretics, as soon as they are convicted of heresy, to be not only excommunicated but even put to death."
Seph: E. R. Olovetto:Organized religion's threat to a free society is on par with Marxist mythology. One doesn't have to be religious, to realize the insanity of that statement....
the crusades weren't a walk in the park....
Where there is no property there is no justice; a proposition as certain as any demonstration in Euclid
Fools! not to see that what they madly desire would be a calamity to them as no hands but their own could bring
nirgrahamUK: Seph: E. R. Olovetto:Organized religion's threat to a free society is on par with Marxist mythology. One doesn't have to be religious, to realize the insanity of that statement.... the crusades weren't a walk in the park....
Nor was it for Christians in the Soviet Union.
Christians have persecuted atheists, Atheist have persecuted Christians, Muslims have persecuted Christians....and so on.
Seph: nirgrahamUK: Seph: E. R. Olovetto:Organized religion's threat to a free society is on par with Marxist mythology. One doesn't have to be religious, to realize the insanity of that statement.... the crusades weren't a walk in the park.... Nor was it for Christians in the Soviet Union. Christians have persecuted atheists, Atheist have persecuted Christians, Muslims have persecuted Christians....and so on.
lol, now you are making Olovetto's point for him!
Question for Olovetto or anyone who can answer.
What is with the SRS in his picture?
'Men do not change, they unmask themselves' - Germaine de Stael
So a Christian posts a question asking whether or not his beliefs are compatible with anarchism, and most people can only answer that his beliefs are "wrong" or whatever.
Good job guys, wouldn't want those intolerant Christians getting any false ideas.
As for the notion that the threat of organized religion to a free society is on par with that of Marxism, I think you're going to have to support some grandidose claims with both some sort of theory and empirical evidence. I don't think it's entirely false to say that communism collectivism of all forms comes from not realizing the limitations to mans reason, which is certainly not something theists can be accused of. Hayek certainly thought so anyway.
"You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows"
Bob Dylan
GilesStratton:So a Christian posts a question asking whether or not his beliefs are compatible with anarchism, and most people can only answer that his beliefs are "wrong" or whatever.
I don't really see him asking whether his beliefs are compatible with anarchism. I think he is stating that anarchy is a fight against order [ which is false ] and seems to imply that the Austrian school is some pagan school of economics because Aleister Crowley was in the same century and because there is a six sided star on the coat of arms.