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I. Ryan replied on Wed, Sep 23 2009 12:43 PM

xahrx:

An oft forgotten fact of the world.

Plus, I'm of the belief that polite debate is a waste of time, it's the militants who seem to get places.  Besides, how can you politely 'debate' anything with people who not only claim, for example, that our current financial crisis is due to a lack of regulation, but also that the banking industry is a free market?  It would take a year or more to list all the state and federal regulatory agencies with oversight and powers over banking and finance.  These people are either willfully or blissfully detached from reality to such a severe degree that a debate with a street schitzo as to which pope he's really talking to would be more productive.  Such people don't deserve politeness, especially after one or two polite attempts to bring them around to reality are made.  They deserve derrision and abuse, nothing more.

If you believe that, you will not help the movement.

If I wrote it more than a few weeks ago, I probably hate it by now.

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I enjoyed 8  mostly because I was able to relate to the main character so strongly. Though I do think the game dragged on for too long.

Same. Plus I liked its villain, in spite of claims that she was too hands-off (hah!)

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krazy kaju replied on Wed, Sep 23 2009 12:51 PM

The Wii Fit is a joke. If you want to get in shape without spending too much money, I suggest:
1. One pair of decent running shoes.
2. One pair of crappy running shorts.
3. A couple crappy white t-shirts.
4. A couple boxer briefs or sports bras, depending on your gender.

Then you start running and doing push ups.

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I. Ryan replied on Wed, Sep 23 2009 12:56 PM

krazy kaju:

If you want to get in shape without spending too much money, I suggest:
1. One pair of decent running shoes.
2. One pair of crappy running shorts.
3. A couple crappy white t-shirts.
4. A couple boxer briefs or sports bras, depending on your gender.

Then you start running and doing push ups.

You do not even need the shoes. I never wear shoes when I run. All you need is clothes and a grass field.

If I wrote it more than a few weeks ago, I probably hate it by now.

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filc replied on Wed, Sep 23 2009 1:05 PM

krazy kaju:
Then you start running

Seriously one of the most relaxing things ever. Not being sarcastic. Running is how I sort my day out and deal with my shiz. 

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zefreak replied on Wed, Sep 23 2009 1:37 PM

filc:

kefka888:

FF3 = best rpg of all time. Big Smile

Now this is just wrong. Planescape: Torment is the greatest RPG ever. (If I must be constrained to a JRPG, then Chrono Trigger.)

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Wii Fit is made that so that normally lazy people get interested in the idea of working out. It was never sold as the ultimate weight loss program and anyone who thinks it was is too quick to throw judgements. Nintendo is a video game company- Wii fit is a video game. It still manages to make people who never ever work out have a reason to sweat.

Anyway Video games are awesome- and anyone who doesn't think so probably has a very very dull personality or is too scared to try anything new. I mean how do you just hate an entire genre? I never hear people say that all movies or story books are a waste of time, and games actually get you engaged a million times more thanthose.

 

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I. Ryan replied on Wed, Sep 23 2009 2:20 PM

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Anyway Video games are awesome- and anyone who doesn't think so probably has a very very dull personality or is too scared to try anything new. I mean how do you just hate an entire genre? I never hear people say that all movies or story books are a waste of time, and games actually get you engaged a million times more thanthose.

I think that almost every (modern, popular) movie which has been produced is a complete waste of time. And I also think that almost every video game which has been yet developed is a complete waste of time. Incidentally, I, via my experience, think that StarCraft may be one of the only worthwhile video games which has been yet developed.

If I wrote it more than a few weeks ago, I probably hate it by now.

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kefka888:

Yeah, the thing about mmo's is that they are designed to keep you playing as long as possible and really do a number on perfectionists who HAVE to complete EVERYTHING.

 

100x this

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[\Sell them.  My sister knows a guy who plays WOW with bots, and sells the high level characters on ebay.  He drives a $xxx,xxx sports car.  lol

Yeah, though it's tricky. It's easy to get ripped off.

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you know, for a libertarian. I sure do kick ass at Rome: Total War

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Giant_Joe replied on Wed, Sep 23 2009 3:49 PM

Ya, that would be great. But I require extensive medical care for my knees to be able to run again, and the government won't give it to me, or even let me forego the ownership of some of my assets to allow me to receive treatment. I miss running. :( I hate socialism. >:(

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Robert replied on Wed, Sep 23 2009 4:00 PM

Nock may disagree with you.

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Vitor replied on Wed, Sep 23 2009 7:23 PM

Im playing the Metroid Prime Trilogy collection for Wii. Just finished the 1st and wow!! What was already an awesome game just got better with the Wii controller and widescreen option. Now starting MP2 Echoes.

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Giant_Joe:

Ya, that would be great. But I require extensive medical care for my knees to be able to run again, and the government won't give it to me, or even let me forego the ownership of some of my assets to allow me to receive treatment. I miss running. :( I hate socialism. >:(

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nskinsella replied on Wed, Sep 23 2009 11:27 PM

I have to say I do not understand this criticism. "Tactics"? This seems to be the activist mentality rearing its ugly head--is everything about tactics and strategy? How about truth and accurate analysis? Are you saying these people--such as Glenn Beck--are not morons? Or, that even if they are, one should not say it?

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nskinsella replied on Wed, Sep 23 2009 11:28 PM

I hear you guys, but what is lowbrow about calling a moron a moron? What is wrong with calling a spade a spade, evil evil, wrong wrong?

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nskinsella replied on Wed, Sep 23 2009 11:30 PM

I. Ryan:

xahrx:

They deserve derrision and abuse, nothing more.

If you believe that, you will not help the movement.

Look how activist minded this comment is: as if all that matters is helping the movement, advancing the cause--as if truth itself is to be measured in terms of success and how successful an argument is.

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filc replied on Wed, Sep 23 2009 11:49 PM

I've lost many friends due to my libertarian beliefs. I've always thought of them as being incredibly stubborn and un-willing to backup their argument with hard cold research but not moronic. Most people, Glenn Beck included, develope a comfortable idea of how the world works and abhor the idea of someone bursting their bubble of blissful understanding, no matter how much of a fairy tail it is. You see this in liberals and conservatives alike. Glen Beck is no different. Untill people are willing to give critical thinking a try they will always be stuck in this state, regardless of their intellectual competency.

I agree that calling Glen a moron is inacurate. I think the following terms would be more acurate.

Liars, Deniars, Stubborn, fearful, statists or beleives in another moral philosphy like marxism or socialism.

I think Glen is one of those people who more accurately fit in either of the following two catagories.

A) Liar and Deniar. Knows exactly what he beleives in and diliberately denies the possibility of freedom, even if it means being dishonest and turning a blind eye to truth.

B) Is stubborn and or fearful of the truth and will do everything in his power to keep himself in his bubble so that his understanding of the universe is not harmed.

Thats just my own humble opinion.

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Beck has no principles.  He is a demagogue.

And a moron.

 

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Nitroadict replied on Thu, Sep 24 2009 12:06 AM

zefreak:

filc:

kefka888:

FF3 = best rpg of all time. Big Smile

Now this is just wrong. Planescape: Torment is the greatest RPG ever. (If I must be constrained to a JRPG, then Chrono Trigger.)



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Now this is just wrong. Planescape: Torment is the greatest RPG ever. (If I must be constrained to a JRPG, then Chrono Trigger.)

Baldur's Gate II ftw.

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I. Ryan:

auctionguy10:

Anyway Video games are awesome- and anyone who doesn't think so probably has a very very dull personality or is too scared to try anything new. I mean how do you just hate an entire genre? I never hear people say that all movies or story books are a waste of time, and games actually get you engaged a million times more thanthose.

I think that almost every (modern, popular) movie which has been produced is a complete waste of time. And I also think that almost every video game which has been yet developed is a complete waste of time. Incidentally, I, via my experience, think that StarCraft may be one of the only worthwhile video games which has been yet developed.

Well there you go- even someone like you who doesn't enjoy most of that stuff still found at least one game that you think is worthwhile. There's so many out there that anyone who says they're all a waste of time hasn't even tried it.

 

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I. Ryan replied on Thu, Sep 24 2009 11:15 AM

nskinsella:

Look how activist minded this comment is: as if all that matters is helping the movement, advancing the cause--as if truth itself is to be measured in terms of success and how successful an argument is.

I said that if he believes that, he will not help the movement. I never said "all that matters is helping the movement". I confined my statement merely to the scope of the movement itself, not to any other matter. If you want to label my comment as "activist minded", whatever; but know that such an assertion is almost as worthless and irrelevant as if I were to label your above response as "argumentatively minded". In other words, yes, it was indeed "activist minded"; but that is merely because all I was referring to is matters related to activism. If you want to be a loner who attempts to discover truth in your basement and viciously and dogmatically attacks any dissenters, do it unless it conflicts with some of your other values; viz. if you desire to most effectively advance the 'liberty movement', you will need to adopt a less dogmatic tone. I cannot merely tell you that you should be less dogmatic and less abusive; but I can tell you that if you desire to most effectively advance the 'liberty movement', you should be less dogmatic and less abusive.

If I wrote it more than a few weeks ago, I probably hate it by now.

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nskinsella replied on Thu, Sep 24 2009 11:27 AM

I. Ryan:

nskinsella:

Look how activist minded this comment is: as if all that matters is helping the movement, advancing the cause--as if truth itself is to be measured in terms of success and how successful an argument is.

I said that if he believes that, he will not help the movement.

and what is the possible relevance of this comment, other than to imply that one should therefore NOT believe something, if you don't wnat to harm the movement? That we should choose our beliefs based on tactical considerations? That truth is subservient to activist considerations?

I never said "all that matters is helping the movement". I confined my statement merely to the scope of the movement itself, not to any other matter. If you want to label my comment as "activist minded", whatever; but know that such an assertion is almost as worthless and irrelevant as if I were to label your above response as "argumentatively minded". In other words, yes, it was indeed "activist minded"; but that is merely because all I was referring to is matters related to activism. If you want to be a loner who attempts to discover truth in your basement and viciously and dogmatically attacks any dissenters, do it unless it conflicts with some of your other values; viz. if you desire to advance the 'liberty movement', you will need to adopt a less dogmatic tone.

maybe; maybe not. But a tone is not the same as a belief. You were criticizing the holding of a belief, based on its consequences for the movement. Not a tone.

I cannot merely tell you that you should be less dogmatic and less abusive; but I can tell you that if you desire to advance the liberty movement, you should be less dogmatic and less abusive.

Dogmatic? Do you here mean tone, or beliefs? now you see to be waffling.

As for abusive--what is abusive is the way the state robs and kills. What is abusive is the support my neighbors and other socialists give to the state to steal from me.

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I. Ryan replied on Thu, Sep 24 2009 12:03 PM

nskinsella:

and what is the possible relevance of this comment, other than to imply that one should therefore NOT believe something, if you don't wnat to harm the movement? That we should choose our beliefs based on tactical considerations? That truth is subservient to activist considerations?

I believe that I have located your misunderstanding. I did attack his belief; that is that I told him that if he believes that "polite debate is a waste of time", he will not help the movement. But if you examine the context wherein my statement exists, you will realize that my statement itself would be incorrect if the belief which it attacks were to be correct. In other words, if the belief that "polite debate is a waste of time" were true, it would be false to say that "[i]f you believe that [polite debate is a waste of time], you will not help the movement" because the latter statement would imply that polite debate is actually not a waste of time and is instead more effective which would contradict to former statement. And therefore I did not imply that truth is subordinate to strategy but that, in that situation, truth is coordinate to strategy.

nskinsella:

Dogmatic? Do you here mean tone, or beliefs? now you see to be waffling.

maybe; maybe not. But a tone is not the same as a belief. You were criticizing the holding of a belief, based on its consequences for the movement. Not a tone.

It is somewhat interesting that you claimed that my statements were collectively equivocal. If you realize that the dichotomous relationship between "tone" and "belief" which you introduced is identical to the dichotomous relationship between "actions" and "ideas" and you ignore the negative connotation of the word "equivocal", you will probably almost immediately realize that I actually legitimately equivocated between such notions: The ideas/beliefs which a man holds directly determine the action which that man performs where the tone of his argumentation of one of such actions. As an example (which you will notice that I drew from the context of this argument), if you believe that polite debate is a waste of time and you do not desire to waste your time, you will invariably not debate politely.

nskinsella:

As for abusive--what is abusive is the way the state robs and kills. What is abusive is the support my neighbors and other socialists give to the state to steal from me.

Unless I missed your point, the above statement is completely irrelevant to this argument.

If I wrote it more than a few weeks ago, I probably hate it by now.

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I. Ryan:
Unless I missed your point, the above statement is completely irrelevant to this argument.

You missed his point.

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I. Ryan replied on Thu, Sep 24 2009 12:14 PM

liberty student:

You missed his point.

If you desire to actually construct an argument, you should elaborate.

If I wrote it more than a few weeks ago, I probably hate it by now.

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I. Ryan:
If you desire to actually construct an argument, you should elaborate.

I don't, and I wasn't.  I was simply making an observation.

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I. Ryan replied on Thu, Sep 24 2009 12:30 PM

liberty student:

I don't, and I wasn't.  I was simply making an observation.

If you did not plan to prove that your observation is true, why did you even post it?

If I wrote it more than a few weeks ago, I probably hate it by now.

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I. Ryan:
If you did not plan to prove that your observation is true, why did you even post it?

My subjective evaluation is not subject to the burden of proof.  I never promoted it as more than my opinion, not objective fact.

Perhaps you did understand him, but intentionally chose to claim you did not.  Perhaps for petty reasons.  Perhaps for more nefarious ones.

I don't know.

But based on your response, my observation is that you did misunderstand him, because his statement was relevant to the conversation, or at least, I was able to see relevance in it.

YMMV.

Try not to be so serious.  The constipated avatar of Benito doesn't help...

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filc replied on Thu, Sep 24 2009 12:34 PM

Can we at least all agree that Starcraft was the best RTS of all time? I know Stephen would agree, errmm... JK! :)

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I. Ryan replied on Thu, Sep 24 2009 12:41 PM

liberty student:

My subjective evaluation is not subject to the burden of proof.  I never promoted it as more than my opinion, not objective fact.

Perhaps you did understand him, but intentionally chose to claim you did not.  Perhaps for petty reasons.  Perhaps for more nefarious ones.

I don't know.

But based on your response, my observation is that you did misunderstand him, because his statement was relevant to the conversation, or at least, I was able to see relevance in it.

YMMV.

Try not to be so serious.  The constipated avatar of Benito doesn't help...

I really do not care about your conclusion unless you also provide your rationale. If you want to tell to me what relevance you recognized, I will listen. If do not want to, whatever.

If I wrote it more than a few weeks ago, I probably hate it by now.

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scineram replied on Thu, Sep 24 2009 1:23 PM

filc:

Can we at least all agree that Starcraft was the best RTS of all time? I know Stephen would agree, errmm... JK! :)

Unless they want to discredit and shut out themselves from all future discussion on any issue.

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Jon Irenicus:

Now this is just wrong. Planescape: Torment is the greatest RPG ever. (If I must be constrained to a JRPG, then Chrono Trigger.)

Baldur's Gate II ftw.

Final Fantasy IX is better than Final Fantasy VII in my opinion. <_<

 

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William replied on Fri, Sep 25 2009 4:06 AM

Nitroadict:

zefreak:

filc:

kefka888:

FF3 = best rpg of all time. Big Smile

Now this is just wrong. Planescape: Torment is the greatest RPG ever. (If I must be constrained to a JRPG, then Chrono Trigger.)



Ye Shall Be As Jesters; Xenogears is the best RPG.  

 

The Xeno series is without a doubt the best series, and I have the math equation to prove it.  FFII/IV for my favorite FF, and Civ IV for most addicting game ever.

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Dondoolee:

Nitroadict:

zefreak:

filc:

kefka888:

FF3 = best rpg of all time. Big Smile

Now this is just wrong. Planescape: Torment is the greatest RPG ever. (If I must be constrained to a JRPG, then Chrono Trigger.)



Ye Shall Be As Jesters; Xenogears is the best RPG.  

 

The Xeno series is without a doubt the best series, and I have the math equation to prove it.  FFII/IV for my favorite FF, and Civ IV for most addicting game ever.

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Final Fantasy IX is better than Final Fantasy VII in my opinion. <_<

Arguably it is. I liked both.

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Sorry to resurrect a super-old thread but I just love how this degenerated into a discussion of FF and such.

 

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