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Walter Block's book defending the undefendable

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Constittuionalist posted on Mon, Jan 18 2010 10:47 AM

I was just wondering but: did walter think about defending other characters he might not have thought of or forgot to mention in his original book such as:

Tax evader,Anarchist rebel, person who curses too much in public, belcher, flag burner, protester, nationalist etc.


I was also wondering but could you defend the non trespassing peeping tom?

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Wait- are you serious? Is Block really working on a second part? Or simply a revision of the first?

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Serious. Whole new book with different 'heros'.

Ron Paul is for self-government when compared to the Constitution. He's an anarcho-capitalist. Proof.
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Marko:

On the other hand using some futuristic device which would enable one to see through the curtains or even the walls would be a clearcut form of trespassing in my mind, no different from physically jumping the fence.

Why? They are just collecting free infrared light.

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I'm pretty surprised that nobody else has given this example: the illegal immigrant

I see "illegal" immigrants as heroes of some sort. They work in the black/grey market in attempt to foil government regulation. (taxes, minimum wage, labor laws, etc.) They keep themselves off of state records and refuse to let the state run their lives. I see them as champions of voluntary association.

Often they do take advantage of entitlement systems but this is more a problem with welfare than those who make use of it.

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Aquila replied on Wed, Jul 21 2010 1:06 PM

The illegal immigrant has been proposed in other threads. You're right tho, he would make a fine addition.

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I like to see him defend the vote buyer

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shazam replied on Fri, Jul 23 2010 1:46 PM

"What about the farter?"

Farting is only a problem due to public ownership of air. Thus, he could use the same defense for farting as littering. If he wanted to make the situation analagous to radio waves, if B farts on A's air, it can only be defended if B used A's air to fart on prior to A homesteading the air. If he wanted to make it analagous to speculating, by providing methane free of charge, the farter is lowering the price of methane, making it more affordable for people to access methane.

Additionally, farting is associated with the rule, "Smelt It, Dealt It", which is very libertarian for its stance toward homesteading.  

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ZB replied on Fri, Jul 23 2010 2:28 PM

Walter should do a 35th Anniversary updated edition with some new chapters such as the ones you recommend.

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[INSULT DELETED] There is no such thing as being able to own air because air is an intangible asset. Second, if air were sold to some person how would someone be able to breathe? If someone with an oxygen mask is not able to breathe because someone owns a large part of the air, and she dies, then the owner of the air is negligent. How can property rights of "air" be established. It reminds me of intellectual property arguement.

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Bert replied on Fri, Jul 23 2010 6:24 PM

There is no such thing as being able to own air because air is an intangible asset.

First, air =/= oxygen.  We breathe oxygen, but the air we breathe is made up of many different pollutants, it's not pure oxygen.  Maybe the air 1,000-5,000 years ago had a higher oxygen content, or in other times.

In that case, you can own oxygen, and sell it pure to individuals who prefer cleaner "air" to the "air" that's being breathed in by the public.  What if you could sell people oxygen tank add-ons to their home a/c and heat that would pump air into their home with a higher content of oxygen?  Doesn't sound like a bad idea if it was profitable.  Could probably do the same to their vehicles.

EDIT: I see your name is "Constittuionalist".  I'm sure you mean "Constitutionalist".

I had always been impressed by the fact that there are a surprising number of individuals who never use their minds if they can avoid it, and an equal number who do use their minds, but in an amazingly stupid way. - Carl Jung, Man and His Symbols
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shazam replied on Fri, Jul 23 2010 9:57 PM

"That is the most idiotic thing I have ever heard of. There is no such thing as being able to own air because air is an intangible asset. Second, if air were sold to some person how would someone be able to breathe? If someone with an oxygen mask is not able to breathe because someone owns a large part of the air, and she dies, then the owner of the air is negligent. How can property rights of "air" be established. It reminds me of intellectual property arguement.

Who ever came up with the idea that "farting is a problem due to the public ownership of air" is an idiot and should be marganilized for the rest of the time that they ask questions on mises.org

Enough said"

Someone can't take a joke? You asked for libertarian perspectives toward issues like belching, and I provided insight toward the economics of farting.

On a more serious note, I think that if the incentive is there, a 3-dimensional system of property rights can work as well as a 2-dimensional system has. Obviously land rights predated the fence, and thus there is potential for technology to be developed to manage air rights if there is a need. Breathing would have to be an exception, because people breathed that air prior to the air being homesteaded for other purposes.

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ama gi replied on Fri, Jul 23 2010 10:09 PM

As for the non-tresspassing peeper, it could be said that the peeped-upon had consented by standing behind a transparent object, a window, without covering it with a non-transparent object, a drape.  The peeped-upon was fully capable of preventing the peeping, but chose not to.

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Sieben replied on Fri, Jul 23 2010 10:22 PM

Constittionalist:
There is no such thing as being able to own air because air is an intangible asset.
You do not own "air". Indeed, it does not matter which air particles we breath so long as we continue to do it. We have homesteaded the right to breath. This is the sense in which we "own" air. But we do not have the right to go attack innocent people by taxing them or taking their air if we find ourselves running short.

Contittutionalist:
Second, if air were sold to some person how would someone be able to breathe?
If air becomes scarce, it will be advantageous to privatize it. Consumers will bid up the price of air, incentivizing production of it. If air is simply commonly owned, you have a tragedy of the commons, aka a collective action problem, and everyone suffocates :/

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ama gi replied on Fri, Jul 23 2010 10:35 PM

The illegal immigrant is an undefendable hero in my book as well.  Namely, he left a landmass that had been arbitrary designated "Mexico" (or whatever his country of origin) and walked onto a landmass arbitrary designated "the United States".  This he did, inflicting harm upon no one, in order to enter the workforce and financially provide for himself and his family.  Since he lacks citizenship, he lacks the ability to negotiate hours and pay with his employer on an equal footing.  He faces the threat of imprisonment and deportation.  He may be separated from his family and lose any property he has earned.  He is scapegoated by no-good politicians who blame him for unemployment and street violence, and even tarred with the same brush as the terrorists who killed 3,000 people on September 11, 2001.  Nevertheless, he contributes to the economy every day, cooking, cleaning, landscaping, and making our lives better.

People who, out of principle or just plain fear, attempt to enter the United States "the right way", could spend years waiting in line, filing paperwork, and spending money to no avail.  But anybody who does it the easy way becomes a "criminal" even though they have not hurt anybody.

An even bigger hero, in my opinion, is the draft dodger.  People who, for humanitarian or just selfish reasons, refuse to serve in the military in any way.  Amazing how a person who refuses to kill will be called a coward and traitor, and imprisoned, but soldiers who shoot so-called "insurgents" and drop bombs on cities with civilians in them comes home and is lauded "the best and brightest" and "hero".

Sometimes I wish I could draw.  If I could, I would make cartoon strips illustrating the absurdities of the day.

Frame One: A reporter points a microphone at a uniformed five-star general.

Journalist: Somebody released a video of Americans in a Apache helicopter wantonly shooting Iraqi civilians and posted it to wikileaks.  Comment?:

General: That's criminal!

Frame Two:

Journalist: Killing Iraqi civilians from an Apache helicopter is criminal?

General: No, the guy who put it on wikileaks is criminal

Also, maybe Walter Block could dedicate a chapter to another endefendable hero: The Blockade Runner Who Supplies Humanitarian Aid to Civilians In A War Zone And Throws Attacking Soldiers Into The Sea When Captured On International Waters.

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