1. India never successfully tested a nuclear weapon and made a massive public hoax about it back in 1998, until it all was unravelled recently when nuclear scientists came public and revealed that India does not have a single functioning nuclear weapon.2. Pakistan's nuclear program may have had some relative success, considering A. Q. Khan stole information from Netherlands to construct one, but even Pakistani nuclear testing footage shows that their nuclear weapons don't have a large radius and fail to create even a crater; let alone the fact that they only have as many nuclear weapons as you can count on your hand.Let me be blunt about this. Third World countries do not have the ability or scientific expertise to build nuclear weapons. In India, only 10% of the engineers and scientists produced by its academic institutes are even employable, and only 1% of those who are employable are brilliant enough to produce international standard research, and thus run off from their country anyway.Iran can't build nuclear weapons unless it is assisted by a larger First World nation that actually built a nuclear weapon. When Iraq seemed like it was close to start building a nuclear weapon back in the early 1980s, Israel took eight aircraft, put extra fuel tanks on them for mid-air refuelling, had them cross Jordan, and go all the way to bombing the Osiraq nuclear reactor, which was barely successful and needed eight aircraft for the job. They crossed 1,200 kms to do so. Now, they have planes which can cross 2,500 kms or more, and can easily reach all eight of Iran's nuclear reactors with the number of planes they now have, and bomb them. They have not done so. Israel would have done it if they felt there were nuclear weapons being built by Iran.Considering the massive campaign of public propoganda against Iran by the media, you must consider that Iran is deliberately being exaggerated as a threat, because United States wants to war with Russia, as was clear enough when United States funded Georgian troops to massacre Russian civilians in South Ossetia. United States has a disgusting foreign policy, and I hope the Taliban continues making life hell for them in Afghanistan and drive them out, so that as occupying aggressors making life unnecessarilly difficult for ordinary people protected by Taliban, US will learn a little lesson about their imperial policy the way Persians learnt at Thermopylae.
"Considering the massive campaign of public propoganda against Iran by the media, you must consider that Iran is deliberately being exaggerated as a threat, because United States wants to war with Russia, as was clear enough when United States funded Georgian troops to massacre Russian civilians in South Ossetia."
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Prateek Sanjay: Iran can't build nuclear weapons unless it is assisted by a larger First World nation that actually built a nuclear weapon.
Iran can't build nuclear weapons unless it is assisted by a larger First World nation that actually built a nuclear weapon.
What about a Second World nation?
Well I guess, since the Cold War is over, Russia is no longer Second World any more.
It is possible that Russia is assisting Iran in building nuclear weapons.
But some crazy conspiracy theorists allege that US is funding a Russian institute which is funding Iran's program, and in short, putting a false flag on Russia.
Not that I believe it, but I don't think US has honest intentions in trying to curb some supposed nuclear threat from Iran.
Khan "stole" the technology with full NATO backing. And NATO then turned a blind eye when US and French satellites snapped pictures of Pakistani military aircrafts delivering nuclear technology to North Korea for some quick casheesh. Kim Jong-Il may or may not have working nuclear weapons but the threat is enough to get him plenty of "aids" from the US, Japan and China not to mention his southern neighbors.
Israel may or may not have one of the world's largest nuclear arsenal but the threat is enough to keep Egypt and, more importantly, Saudi Arabia at bay.
The technical basis of a relatively simple A-bomb are more or less available to anyone with a degree in physics. Building it is another matter completely (mostly because of the dearth of semiprocessed uranium ore) but it's still feasible for a government willing to toss enough money into it. South Africa is widely believed to have received the know how from the Israelis (who in turn got theirs from pretty much everybody else) but to have thrown the towel in when the full financial implications of the program were realized. Both Argentina and Brazil briefly toyed with the idea before their Finance Ministers gave the red light. But building a nuclear weapon, even a test device, takes lot of time and so many things can go wrong during the process, setting you back a couple of years.
Iran probably didn't intend to build nuclear weapons. All they originally wanted were nuclear reactors to ease their enormous energy woes (despite having substantial oil fields Iran doesn't even have enough refining capacity to meet her own needs). In doing so they committed an enormous pas-faux. They gave Israel (who has long standing grudges against Iran for both supporting Hezbollah and being the last country in the Middle East not to acknowledge Israeli supremacy) enough rope to hang them using her all-powerful medias and lobbies. I can assure you the Iranian government is scared to the death at the prospect and rightly so. While actual war may be still far away, crippling economic sanctions may be only a few months away. Iran is already on the brink of bankruptcy. It needs trade desperately just to stay afloat. They saw what UN sanctions did to Iraq in the '90s. While they do not need nuclear weapons (mine the Straits of Hormuz and it's bye-bye economic "recovery" in Europe) they may as well toy with the idea as a desperation move.
Iran is also desperately in need of foreign friends. Russia has been toying with them (for example by "technically delaying" delivery of advanced air defense systems) and Europe, despite being a major commercial partner, is completely owned by the Israeli lobby. All that's left is China. China is on a mid-term collision course with the US. But China needs to time to prepare her military and find allies. They may as well choose to sacrifice Iran to buy time. I am very sorry for the Iranian people but unless the US shakes off the Israeli lobby they are doomed to misery and strife.
If nuclear devices are really so costly to make, than this is the works news since 1913. There are going to be wars between nonnuclear countries, and the state will fatten accordingly. But perhaps within e few decades, nukes will become so cheap as to allow every country to have hundreds. Then the closes thing to war we’ll have will be fistfights over girls. And if the State can’t wage war…I’m too excited to think abut that.
So, let us weep at this news.
Also you are probably better of just fire bombing the place if you have no means of delivery.
Anyone know how complicated it actually is to build an intercontinental cruise missile and if these countries are capable of that?
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hkarnoldson: Also you are probably better of just fire bombing the place if you have no means of delivery. Anyone know how complicated it actually is to build an intercontinental cruise missile and if these countries are capable of that?
I too believe that deliverance means are much more costly to procure than the warheads themselves. Bu this works for us and against the state. For if a country has nukes but can only deliver them though, say, short range missiles or artillery, that it follows that nukes can ONLY be used in defense, by nuking armies as they amass at the borders. This was a actually the French nuclear policy for quite some time.
What about that Israeli bombing raid against a Syrian installation back in 2006?
Prateek, my understanding it that nuclear weapons as such are relatively easy to get by. The thing is nuclear weapons are not created equal. You have everything from relatively simple and inexpensive "gun-type" nukes to the very advanced thermonuclear weapons. So many countries would actually be able to create a functioning nuclear weapon. The thing is that the simple, affordable types have very small yields in comparison. Therefore it does not make much sense to build them. Having them makes you a potential target of much vaster nuclear arsenals without giving you much in return.
" United States has a disgusting foreign policy, and I hope the Taliban continues making life hell for them in Afghanistan and drive them out,"
While I agree that the United States policy of Imperial Interventionism is despicable, I would be hesitant to forget that *all* major 1st/2nd world countries follow this same policy. China or Russia are waging these same kind of proxy wars against the United States. We just happen to be the "Big-Bad" right now.
" US will learn a little lesson about their imperial policy the way Persians learnt at Thermopylae."
All empires end the same way and the United States is currently in decline. We cannot learn from past mistakes because the system has become bloated with corruption and incompetence, we are literally destined to fall and it will be the largest collapse since Rome. Even larger than the British and Spanish empires before us.
"my understanding it that nuclear weapons as such are relatively easy to get by. The thing is nuclear weapons are not created equal."
That is inaccurate, the theory and construction of Nuclear weapons are well known. You take your radioactive element. put it at the center of a case, surround it with explosives and detonate all of those explosives at the *exact* same time and focused towards exactly the same point, boom, instant chain reaction. The problem is the actually engineering to accomplish this is next to impossible without amazing scientists and the best equipment in the world. The parts all need to be perfect or it doesn't work.
Adam Magoon: ... China or Russia are waging these same kind of proxy wars against the United States. ...
... China or Russia are waging these same kind of proxy wars against the United States. ...
Where, for example?
Chinese support of North Korea and Iran? I mean, I don't have concrete evidence, I am not the CIA or whatnot. Yet, I don't believe for a second that Russia is not funneling weapons into the Middle East, Vladmir Putin is intent on Russia regaining its Cold War status. The best way to do this would be to weaken the United States. It is all politics and espionage has been a fact of life for five-thousand years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_industry#World.27s_largest_arms_exporters
You cannot tell me that none of the Five-thousand-million dollars of arms between Russia and China made their way into "terrorist" hands. Intelligence agencies the world over are in a constant battle to weaken their rivals, and allies most of the time.
Adam Magoon: Chinese support of North Korea and Iran?
Chinese support of North Korea and Iran?
Is there a war in North Korea or Iran?
Adam Magoon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_industry#World.27s_largest_arms_exporters You cannot tell me that none of the Five-thousand-million dollars of arms between Russia and China made their way into "terrorist" hands.
You cannot tell me that none of the Five-thousand-million dollars of arms between Russia and China made their way into "terrorist" hands.
What is a " "terrorist" "?
We are not involved in Iran yet no, but we obviously are pursuing that avenue at a fairly brisk pace.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_relations_of_North_Korea
" Technically still in a state of war with South Korea and the West, North Korea has maintained close relations with China and often limited relations with other nations."
So yea technically we are, but more to the point you don't need to be shooting at people for hostilities to be in place. The United States expends a lot of resources in regards to North Korea, and Iran as well. They are attacking us by causing us to waste money on futile interventionist efforts.
"What is a " "terrorist" "?"
People who are fighting U.S. troops on their own soil?
Adam Magoon: "What is a " "terrorist" "?" People who are fighting U.S. troops on their own soil?
In that case you are wrong. Russia and China are not funnelling weapons to the resistance in Afghanistan or Iraq.
Adam Magoon: We are not involved in Iran yet no, but we obviously are pursuing that avenue at a fairly brisk pace. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_relations_of_North_Korea " Technically still in a state of war with South Korea and the West, North Korea has maintained close relations with China and often limited relations with other nations." So yea technically we are, but more to the point you don't need to be shooting at people for hostilities to be in place. The United States expends a lot of resources in regards to North Korea, and Iran as well. They are attacking us by causing us to waste money on futile interventionist efforts.
Is that a proxy war?
And how is selling weapons to a sovereign state the same as invading a sovereign state?
Yeah, I have to agree with Marko here.
Russia and China have not done any real intervention abroad the way US has. The last time either went to war was when US funded troops in Georgia attacked Russian civilians.
The way the media in United States tries to portray Russia and China as international villains and fuelers of armed conflict on various nations is done on such shaky grounds, that all of it resembles Hitler's outrage at Poland invading Germany.
China is going to achieve tremendous progress in the world science and technology in the next 30-40 years." This is a remark by eminent scientist and Nobel laureate Chen Ning Yang in his speech on "Science and Technology of the 21st Century" delivered at the opening ceremony of the 6th World Chinese Entrepreneurs Convention in Nanjing on September 17, 2008. In his speech, Yang said that modern science and technology were introduced into China only in the 20th century. Within a time span of just one century with efforts by merely several generations, China has started from scratch to having attained the level of being able to launch and recover its Shenzhou Spaceship, an incredibly rapid development with no precedence in history. So he believes China's scientific and technical level will surely reach the foremost front of the world advanced level by the year 2030 or 2040.
Chinese nuclear technology and capabilities will soon surpass the USA scientific technology.
The USA must fight and then win the war for Scientific and Technological Superiority! If we lose the scientific and technology lead to China or any other country, the USA will rapidly decline into a third world nation, and our citizens will have to work for the Yuan equivalent of US pennies per hour after the total economic collapse of the USA and the buying power of the US dollar goes to zero.
The USA is no longer the scientific and technical world leader that it once was just a few decades ago. There is very little economic incentive for US citizen college students to major in any of the science or engineering fields at this time. This needs to change for the benefit of the US economy. I believe that most students today want to study business and/or economics in order to become one of the wealthy Wall Street (master criminal) business tycoons. No person in his or her right mind would major in science or engineering since the pay scale has eroded so much in the last few decades and the study is so demanding compared to several other less demanding and more rewarding fields of study.
According to the National Science Foundation and the National Society of Professional Engineers, less than 5% of the current undergraduate college students in the USA studying for a degree in science, medicine, mathematics or engineering are US citizens. In the Asia the vast majority of the college students are majoring in science or engineering. We need to increase the percentage of USA citizen college students studying science and engineering from 5% to more than 70%, in order to emulate the economic industrial successes of the Asian countries. We must emulate the educational systems of China, India, Pakistan, and other Asian countries or the USA will die economically.
Yeah, I wouldn't over-estimate the Chinese just because there's a cultural stereotype of them being "smart". The vast majority of their people still live in poverty and they're run by a brutal centralized government hell-bent on interference and Keynesian myth. We heard the same apocalypse propaganda about the Soviet Union, after all...
China is stepping up research of particle accelerator on its own, according to reports from the ongoing 2nd Asia Accelerator Conference. It is said that the Institute of High Energy Physics under the Chinese Academy of Sciences is making an active effort in design and research of positive-negative electron impinging machine in Beijing, and hopes for a 100-fold increase in the brightness of the machine.
The US government elected to cease construction if the US Super Collider at Waxahachie, Texas a few decades ago, but decided to spend many times that amount to bail out various Wall Street financial businesses. As China increases their Nuclear Research, China will soon surpass the USA in Nuclear and other advanced scientific technologies and capabilities.