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Glenn Beck about Nazism: is this accurate?

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hugolp posted on Tue, Apr 6 2010 5:26 PM

I just watched this Glenn Beck segment and it looks fine to me, but I dont trust Beck so I would like to read opinions on it. Are the facts taken out of conetxt or grosesly manipulated? Is it accurate? Is it leaving out important details?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wLT0X5pT9E

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The Enlightenment was a social movement that had heavy elements of egalitarianism, scientistic statism and 'rightsism'. It inherited many of these traits from Renaissance Humanism and Humanistic Republicanism. All of these movements placed a heavy emphasis on developing individuals by mass-education, using democratic and quasi-democratic government forms to create 'people's states' where 'rights' were enforced by the State (  rights wasa word that was previously meaningless outside of contractual relations, and in my opinion, remains so). The anti-Enlightenment and anti-Humanist 'liberal reactionaries' emphasize the customary and contingent elements of human social organization which are the products of the interplay of individual human ideological factors (to use it in the Misesian sense, I.E., complex of ideas). They also emphasize the ineradicable or superdominant elements of all human beings and human societies. Contrary to the Progressive/Enlightenment views, reactionaries (as a rule) are not anti-science or people who reject philosophy - quite to the contrary the developed reactionary position is that Enlightenment ideology is a perverse imitation of science and philosophy; and superficial in its analysis and solutions. The notion of 'natural, universal rights' and a law apart from private law which actually embodies the interest of real human beings is just as spurious and deluded as the idea of an economy without prices. Reactionaries do not believe in 'tabula rasa' man (blank slate), but instead in actual men who have a wide variety of inborn and acquired traits, many of which are beyond either the understanding or the control of those involved.

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JonBostwick:
He was what every American moderate thinks of himself as.

If you read Goebbels you find that his pursuit was actually less authoritarian and more collectivist than what passes for all political parties today.  He saw using propaganda to convince people to do charity as the highest achievement of the state.  He saw Bolshevism as the same as liberalism and both as individualist.  These words have credibility as there was probably the largest amount of donation to state run aid programs in history, in Nazi Germany.

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Mike replied on Fri, Apr 16 2010 9:57 AM

Though I am new to this board and admit that I know nothing about everything –  I still have the right to say this; the petty insults and personal attacks in this thread are embarrassing. I would think that such intelligent people would not need to result to such childish tactics.

 

It is amusing that obviously intelligent people are tricked into knee jerk reactions to ambiguous posts.

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Mike:

Though I am new to this board and admit that I know nothing about everything –  I still have the right to say this; the petty insults and personal attacks in this thread are embarrassing. I would think that such intelligent people would not need to result to such childish tactics.

 

It is amusing that obviously intelligent people are tricked into knee jerk reactions to ambiguous posts.

Most of the people on here are not intelligent. If anything, they're educated beyond their ability to reason. This is, for the most part, a board full of goofballs.

But, you're right, their behavior is ridiculous.

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Mike:
I still have the right to say this; the petty insults and personal attacks in this thread are embarrassing.
What insults? I don't see any.
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Drace replied on Sat, Apr 17 2010 11:15 PM

Glenn Beck's logic goes as far as to say "OH LOOK NAZI GERMANY HAD HEALTH CARE, SOCIALIST!" Oh look "NAZI = National SOCIALIST Workers Party" His arguments are ridiculous. His own definition of leftism is ridiculous. Hitler never advocated worker ownership over the means of productions.

"I want everyone to keep what he has earned, subject to the principle that the good of the community takes priority over that of the individual. But the State should retain control; every owner should feel himself to be an agent of the State ... The Third Reich will always retain the right to control property owners" - Adolf Hitler “

Our adopted term ‘Socialist’ has nothing to do with Marxian Socialism. Marxism is anti-property; true Socialism is not”."

 

The video does make several false statements. The commenter says that the the Communist's slogan was "First brown, then red", trying to portray the communists as Hitler's ally. I searched and could not find a single source on that.

This is totally false depiction. The communists were Hitler's largest opponents. They regularly held anti-Nazi rallies and voted against Hitler. The Communist Party of Germany's (KPD) slogan was actually "A vote for Hindenburg is a vote for Hitler; a vote for Hitler is a vote for war."

Look up the 1932 elections.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_federal_election,_July_1932

Socialist newspapers also published much anti-Nazi writings. Communists were the first group of people to be sent to Hitler's concentration camps. As many as 100,000-200,000 were killed by Hitler. The KPD was suppressed and communists were classified as "enemies of the state"

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Marko replied on Sat, Apr 17 2010 11:29 PM

The relevant chapters in Mises's Omnipotent Government are also a good source on this. He explains what was behind the cross-membership between Socialist and Nazi organisations (which to the demagogue Beck is a proof that they were working hand in hand) for example.

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Coercion is coercion.

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Drace replied on Sun, Apr 18 2010 12:51 AM
That doesn't tell us whether Hitler subscribed to leftist or rightist ideals...
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"That doesn't tell us whether Hitler subscribed to leftist or rightist ideals..."
In the end it doesn't matter.  Leftist or rightist coercive ideals are still socialism.
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Liberté:
The Enlightenment was a social movement that had heavy elements of egalitarianism, scientistic statism and 'rightsism'. [...]

Just wanted to say thank you for your detailed explanation! My understanding has increased now.


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you don't have to trust back, you have to trust jonah goldberg. I thought his book, Liberal Fascism, was spot on (despite how little I like his politics).

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Hitler was right-wing (mostly) and Marx was left wing (Stalin was right wing in disguise as a lefty).

 

stop. just...stop.

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