I've heard doctors say that vaccines did not eradicate smallpox or polio, and in fact the outbreaks did not decrease after the vaccine was introduced.....what did eradicate those diseases then?
If you could post any sources that would be appreciated.
Unfortunatly there is mass ignorance on the subject of vaccinations. Your doctor and the drug companies would like you to believe that vaccinations have indead erradicated serious threats to human health. But that is very wrong.
I do not believe that your average doctor or nurse is intentionally trying to harm you or your child when they suggest vaccinations.
They, sadly, are just as ignorant as the mass public, and choose to believe the drug companies claimes that vaccinations are the answer.
Reference the charts below.... In most (if not all cases) these miracle vaccinations that "erradicated" these terrible diseases were only introduced AFTER a major fall in the death rate due to the disease.
Polio deaths were almost nonexistant BEFORE the vaccine was introduced- and there was a minor rise in deaths after the introduction. Several years after the definintion of polio was changed and all deaths were blaimed on other diseases...
The doctors , assuming the vaccination was flawless, saw patients who appeared to have polio and had been vaccinated and thought it couldnt have possibly been polio ! And therefor the diagnosis was not polio
This web site contains some very interesting information about polio
"Polio has not been eradicated by vaccination, it is lurking behind a redefinition and new diagnostic names like viral or aseptic meningitis.......According to one of the 1997 issues of the MMWR, there are some 30,000 to 50,000 cases of viral meningitis per year in the United States alone. That's where all those 30,000 - 50,000 cases of polio disappeared after the introduction of mass vaccination"---Viera Scheibner
Polio has not been erradicated but meerly redifined. Since the introduction of the vaccine and the supposed "erradication" of this disease new cases of polio are now labeled as other dieseases i am sure you have heard of
Viral or aseptic meningitis, Guillaine Barre Syndrome (GBS), Chinese Paralytic syndrome, CHRONIC FATIGUE SYNDROME, epidemic cholera, cholera morbus, spinal meningitis, spinal apoplexy, inhibitory palsy, intermittent fever, famine fever, worm fever, bilious remittent fever, ergotism, ME, post-polio syndrome, acute flaccid paralysis Synonyms for GBS]
There has also been similarity drawn to pellagra, beriberi, and other deficiency diseases.
I encourage you to research polio and some of these other diseases to see the similarities for yourself
Nutritional deficiencies! If you do some of your own research on food around the turn of the last century you will find that for the first time in history of mankind the mass public has turned entirely to store bought processed foods instead of growing raising and making all of their own food.
Outbreaks of Beri beri ( the deficiency disease listed above) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beriberi, and mental insanity were reported after wheat processors and distrubuters began to take the wheat germ out of their flour to produce a longer lasting product. The wheat germ contains vital nutrients ( specifically thiamine b1)but also causes the flour to spoil quicker. This also applies to many other grains and foods. As it seems the vitamin rich parts of the food cause spoilage they are removed so that food suppliers can store the items for long peroids of time.
Food companies began to ENRICH ( ever look at your box of morning cereal, it has most likely been enriched) their products with synthetic vitamins to make up for the vitamins lost during processing.
This seems to have cleared up most of the major ( and OBVIOUS) health problems caused by food processing. However i strongly believe that this food enriched with synthetic vitamins still pales in comparison to real whole food
So now , because vaccinations have been touted as the cure for these diseases people get more and more vaccinations instead of strengthening their bodies with good nutrition.
Another note on polio vaccinations.
Between 1955 and 1963 at least 30 million doses of polio vaccination were contaminated with SV40 a monkey virus that has been linked to several times of cancer including brain and mesothelioma
THis is fact check out the information on the CDC website
There have been many reports of other vaccinations being contaminated
for example recently ( THIS YEAR) there has been pig Virus DNA Found in Rotarix vaccination given to children
If you follow your doctors direction in regards to your childs health they will suggest up to 50 doses of vaccination by the age of 5.
If you do your own research you will find that ,like these early vaccinations, there is very little proof that ANY vaccination works, along with lots of proof that vaccines cause many health problems.
The risks outweigh any perceived benefit-- especially when we are dealing with young, developing children
Nutrition is the answer
I don't have sources, but there was an article recently on lewrockwell.com about this. Do a search there and see.
I think the explanation given was a reduction of some metal in the food, or something like that.
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I would love to just get the solid sources for this info...and take away this stupid argument that pro vaccine people throw around ignorantly.
I don't want anyone saying....vaccines are a huge step in medical evolution....we got rid of two of the most deadly diseases with them...smallpox and polio....
I want the general response to that to be, you're completely wrong...those vaccines did not get rid of those diseases. This is now general knowledge.
Get over it....
Why would you call those that believe in vaccines ignorant if you don't even know what else eradicated Polio?
I'm very happy I don't have polio! I sure am glad I'm not the only polio-john-or-jane, in the U.S.. Whether it's the nutrition or the power to believe in shots, I'm glad I don't see it often. Rare diseases are quite shocking! Boy some genetic diseases disfigure for explitive sake. I think it's perhaps a wonder of the market that these ugly sicknesses are lessened. Shame! The market be free of more nasties ridded by wonderful inovation. I am amazed inovation persists dispite heavy-bad interventionism. Like; the Tetris inventor, (or public works engineers?) a slave that worked hard and made a nice thing. I don't dig shots, but I'd rather not have me, or my loved ones get the nasties. If the despot sicken us all, he hath no kingdom!
"Why would you call those that believe in vaccines ignorant if you don't even know what else eradicated Polio?"
that is a very good question.
I should have said, if the evidence comes out that polio and smallpox were eradicted, not because of vaccines, but from different reasons, then I hope everyone quickly learns this truth.
Nutrition. Not eating rotten meat does wonders for the immune system.
It was vaccines, [GRATUITOUS BARB DELETED]
Abstract liberty, like other mere abstractions, is not to be found.
- Edmund Burke
laminustacitus:It was vaccines, anyone who doubts that vaccines both eradicated smallpox and polio and who doubts that vaccines are not one of the greatest advances in medical history is a crank who does not deserve your attention.
But in practice, the vaccines had no effect on a lot of the decline rates of diseases. I won't write you an extended treatise, and i'm sure there are exceptions to this rule, but the majority of vaccines seem to fit ino this trend.
"But in practice, the vaccines had no effect on a lot of the decline rates of diseases. I won't write you an extended treatise, and i'm sure there are exceptions to this rule, but the majority of vaccines seem to fit ino this trend."
that's exactly what I'm looking for snowflake....now I just need some sources that explain why those disaeses decreased...
Well, you know, its difficult to know because we don't have an America where there were vaccines to compare to an America without vaccines. Analytically, there's no reason vaccines can't eradicate a disease. But there's also no reason it can't die out from other causes either, such as improved nutrition.
So its basically inconclusive. I think the evidence for certain viruses at certain times in history makes a convincing case for vaccines, but they are the exception to the rule. After doing the research I have to conclude that vaccines are one of many ways to eliminate disease in a country.
"So its basically inconclusive. I think the evidence for certain viruses at certain times in history makes a convincing case for vaccines, but they are the exception to the rule. After doing the research I have to conclude that vaccines are one of many ways to eliminate disease in a country."
But if you take it to the extreme, as western medicine has done and give a baby 7 vaccines at 2 months and another 5 at 4 months and another at etc etc etc....
you bombard their immune system and leave them even more susceptiple to the diseases you're vaccinating against and do additional damage to their tiny little nervous systems. Not to mention the damage the mercury, aluminum, anti-freeze and other adjunct materials does to these tiny infants.
OP, read here first: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox
(english is not my native language, sorry for grammar.)
limitgov:But if you take it to the extreme, as western medicine has done and give a baby 7 vaccines at 2 months and another 5 at 4 months and another at etc etc etc....
I have researched some of these negative consequences, since as their injection of methyl mercury, and remain skeptical about any real harm a vaccine can do a full grown adult. But if I ever have to get another vaccine, i'll look into it, and post the results here :p
Snowflake wrote the following post at Fri, May 28 2010 9:19 PM:
In any discussion involving science or medicine, citing Whale.to as a credible source loses you the argument immediately..and gets you laughed out of the room.