If you shoot and kill a government cop, you get the death penalty or, at least, life in prison. If a government cop shoots and kills you, he gets 5 to 10 years for involuntary manslaughter.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/07/08/BAM21EBDOD.DTL&tsp=1
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the comments from the other readers are appalling to be honest. Many say that he should have been found not guilty.
"Jurors were given four options when the original panel began deliberations Friday. They could convict Mehserle, 28, of second-degree murder, voluntary manslaughter or involuntary manslaughter, or they could acquit him."
Trial by peers, indeed--more like trial by the state. The state controls what evidence can be admitted, the state controls who can be a juror, the state controls the acceptable verdicts.
Little wonder that Mehserle got off with such a light penalty for murder.
The state controls what evidence can be admitted, the state controls who can be a juror, the state controls the acceptable verdicts.
Don't worry about your victim rejecting your jury picks. Just kill him so he isn't around to reject them.
well even if this was done by a civilian, I think the penalty would have been voluntary manslaughter.
What crucial piece of evidence was denied admission? Which of the jurors do you take issue with? Second degree murder would've probably come with a life sentence, is that not enough for you?
What crucial piece of evidence was denied admission?
The jurors denied themselves the evidence.
More race baiting from blacks. It was involuntary manslaughter whatever way you want to look at it.
Hopefully the private owners of transport in the future will be more rigorous in keeping scum off of their property and thereby ensuring a safe and pleasant journey for the rest of us.
Oh and just for the record: Oscar Grant got out of prison 4 months before his death. He has a long and violent criminal record. Bart usually closes at midnight. Bart stayed running until 3/am on New Year’s eve to accommodate revellers. Oscar and his homies created a mini riot actually a gang fight at the Frutivale station. Bart police were called. The rioters refused to calm down. Oscar took it upon himself to get in the face of the officers.
Oscar is the type of career criminal who eventually gets three strikes and spends the rest of his life in prison or gets killed by either police or his homies or a rival gang.
Oscar did have a fast food job. He did visit his illegitimate child and baby mama when he was released from prison. So the media is doing its usual fill in the blanks template stories of this wonderful young man who was turning his life around and actually visitiing his child. And working! Actually, working was a condition of parole.
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Typical libertarian bs.
It was involuntary manslaughter whatever way you want to look at it.
Exactly which type of involuntary manslaughter is shooting someone in the back?
Germanicus: "Oh and just for the record: Oscar Grant got out of prison 4 months ago."
^^^^^ That's funny because he was killed about 18 months ago.
scineram:Typical libertarian bs.
@Caley McKibbin
When it's involuntarily done, as it was.
Do you think private owners of transport will somehow be more 'liberal' in allowing thugs of this kind to use their service? If anything the state is more lenient in allowing troublemakers to use its services, because of the obvious claims of 'racism' that would result if they actually bothered to deal with said troublemakers.
Private owners would have no such scruples thankfully.
@Daniel
4 months before he was killed, typos are typos are typos.
Your total evasion of bloom's questions isn't any better.
Germanicus,
How did the cop involuntary shoot someone in the back? Who forced him to do so?
So it's okay for a government cop to kill someone as long that person killed has a long and violent criminal record? If not, then why did you include that information?
Daniel,
Have you not read the story in its entirety?
The fine, upstanding Oscar tried to go for a cop's gun, Mehserle tried to go for his taser, instead he drew his gun (similarities in shape and weight) and fired. They have video evidence documenting his horror as he realized he'd actually employed his gun instead of the taser.
Of course all of this is race baiting and conveniently ignores that blacks murder whites in their thousands every year (yet the media never raises so much as a peep over those matters), largely due to the fact race baiting cultural marxists such as those crying for this guy's blood convince them all their problems in life are caused by whites. But hey, if you want to attach yourself to those kinds of people, go for it, just remember though that no matter how self-hating and anti-white you are - It's not good enough for them.
You don't think it seems a little far fetched that shooting someone in the back is done without lethal intent?
You are talking to someone who lives in a country with a Young Offenders Act.
To follow up Daniel.
No, it isn't. My reason for employing that evidence is because the media been painting a hagiographic picture of this man that simply isn't true.
I have a question though: Do you think private owners would somehow tolerate all the violence on the BART less so than the state does?
Germanicus: "More race baiting from blacks."
That's funny too because this thread was created by a non-black.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmJukcFzEX4
When the person in question thinks they're holding a taser, then no.
What's your point?
You know very well what I mean Daniel, I'm referring to the protestors and the 'community leaders'.
Germanicus, Why should we accept your Eugenics point of view? Should we be mad at Oscar for being a by-product of government polices and a mindless sheep? Should we innately despise Italian mob honkies or Prohibition? How do we know your not a victim of the That Which is Seen, and That Which is Not Seen fallacy?
Germanicus: "No, it isn't. My reason for employing that evidence is because the media been painting a hagiographic picture of this man that simply isn't true."
Who here presented that hagiographic picture here?
Germanicus: "I have a question though: Do you think private owners would somehow tolerate all the violence on the BART less so than the state does?"
I doubt it. Why do you ask?
Why should we accept your Eugenics point of view?
Eugenics? Where, specifically, did I propound eugenics?
Should we be mad at Oscar for being a by-product of government polices and a mindless sheep? Should we innately despise Italian mob honkies or Prohibition?
Hahaha, you silly fool. Oscar is a product of his genes. His thuggish behavior is nobody else's fault, stop trying to collectivize responsibility and blame whitey.
Nobody, but the very reason this story is so well publicized is because it's white on black.
Black on white crime of course, gets no such attention, even though it is much greater in scale and ferocity. In fact it is so great in scale that the figures resemble low intensity guerilla warfare at times.
Just curious.
I love your double standard response, Mr.IQ. I don't blame whitey, I blame government policies.
Germanicus: "Of course all of this is race baiting and conveniently ignores that blacks murder whites in their thousands every year (yet the media never raises so much as a peep over those matters), largely due to the fact race baiting cultural marxists such as those crying for this guy's blood convince them all their problems in life are caused by whites."
Who here is race baiting? Please don't go off-topic. Or, is it okay for government cops to kill race-baiters?
"But hey, if you want to attach yourself to those kinds of people, go for it, just remember though that no matter how self-hating and anti-white you are - It's not good enough for them."
**sigh** Who here is self-hating or anti-white? The first mentions of "white", "black" and "race" are by you.
I blame government policies
The same Government policies that redistribute vast sums of money from White (and indeed Asian) taxpayers to Blacks?
The same Government policies that give blacks Government set-asides in everything from housing and contracts to university placements?
If these policies are what leads to black violence, then I hate to imagine what it would be like without all these benefits.
Germanicus: "Hahaha, you silly fool. Oscar is a product of his genes. His thuggish behavior is nobody else's fault, stop trying to collectivize responsibility and blame whitey."
Are you saying that blacks have a thug gene? Or was that a typo too?
Also, who's blaming whitey? This thread is about state vs non state.
You don't think it seems a little far fetched that shooting someone in the back is done without lethal intent? When the person in question thinks they're holding a taser, then no.
If you believe that story I'll just call you Gullible.
The same Government policies that redistribute vast sums of money from White (and indeed Asian) taxpayers to Blacks? The same Government policies that give blacks Government set-asides in everything from housing and contracts to university placements? If these policies are what leads to black violence, then I hate to imagine what it would be like without all these benefits.
Yes, it is called "innovation." Gasp! Are hand-outs really that detrimental?
[Mod edit: Off-topic post. This thread is about state versus non state, not about whitey versus blacks. Future off-topic posts will be deleted.]
How to get away with murder/manslaughter 101: buy a prop pistol, put it the other pocket and say at the trial, "I thought I pulled the prop."
@Casey
Look at the video evidence.
Also, to mod: You asked me whether aggressiveness amongst African Americans was genetic, I provided peer reviewed evidence to state my case and then you declare it off topic?
How do you get away with securities fraud? Become a former lawyer for the SEC then say you were drunk. http://www.businessinsider.com/robert-miller-alcoholic-2010-7
The entire whitey versus blacks issue is off-topic. Your evidence does not suggest that your bringing up of the whitey versus blacks issue is on-topic.