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Kenneth Posted: Sun, Jul 11 2010 11:03 AM

What do you think of it? Does it have any valuable content that the Mises Institute does not already address? I've heard that book sales of Atlas Shrugged have skyrocketed and the ARI is making big time dough.

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MB replied on Mon, Jul 12 2010 10:26 AM

Its been awhile since I visited that site, but don't recall it being a huge repository of information.

Keep in mind that ARI is 'orthodox objectivist', so this can be off-putting to those not into Objectivism to that degree.

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AnonLLF replied on Mon, Jul 12 2010 1:48 PM

Most times I read an article by Peikoff or Yaron Brook it's about how the USA has the moral right to kill arabs.

I'd say it doesnt have much to offer really.Unless you want to see the lunacy Randians speak.

I don't really want to comment or read anything here.I have near zero in common with many of you.I may return periodically when there's something you need to know.

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Bogart replied on Mon, Jul 12 2010 3:17 PM

Keep in mind that Ayn Rand believed in Free Markets but not in the fully voluntary society (You can insert your name of people who do belive in the voluntary society here: Anarchists, Voluntarists, etc).  She called Libertarians something along line of Free Market Hippies.  She and her two follower groups are nationalistic in their views and they may in fact be correct that the USA and the west has historically been more "Rational" than the rest of the world.  I used to buy this but after examining the materials on ARI and The Atlas Society and comparing them to the writings of Mises, Rothbard and those on this web site I no longer have any faith in people who use force to resolve problems.

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Eioul replied on Mon, Jul 12 2010 3:22 PM

Content about what? Political philosophy? Economics? If you mean about political philosophy, the two provide different kind of information. If you mean economics, well, the ARI isn't about that primarily, while Mises Institute would have anything you probably would want about Austrian economics.

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Josh replied on Mon, Jul 12 2010 8:22 PM

Keep in mind that Ayn Rand believed in Free Markets but not in the fully voluntary society.

 

Galt's Gulch was a fully voluntary society and that was her ideal society.

And Rand was for a voluntary society. She was against taxation. Now, without taxation I'm not sure how you could have a coercive society. Her political philosophy would be called Voluntary Minarchism (Which is a contradiction of terms, but would fall in line with many of her other contradictions.)

 

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Josh :

Now, without taxation I'm not sure how you could have a coercive society.

You can put a gun to someone's head and make them your slave.

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You can put a gun to someone's head and make them your slave.

Like taxation?

"I cannot prove, but am prepared to affirm, that if you take care of clarity in reasoning, most good causes will take care of themselves, while some bad ones are taken care of as a matter of course." -Anthony de Jasay

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Solid_Choke:

Like taxation?

The point is, taxation isn't the only way of using coercion.
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I am oppossed the Ayn Rand Institute on the grounds that I don't wish to follow a belief system that is not in accordance with my Christian values. The reason I prefer AE is that I am not forced to choose a metaphysical doctrine.Objectivists on the other hand despise any form of spiritualism (or mystisism as Rand likes to call it). Now of course AE does have certain ethical guidelines (such as the respect for property, non aggression amongst others) which I can find appealing and in line with my beliefs.

Also, the Ayn Rand institute is too strict with its belief system. Meanwhile, the AE school can allow for some breathing room for debate ranging from anarcho-capitalist (Rothbard) to Minarchist (Mises) to even small interventions (Hayek). It is my personal belief that the Ayn Rand Institute is more like a religion while the AE Institute is more like a school of thinkers.

Empty your mind, be formless. Shapeless, like water. If you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup.You put it in a teapot it becomes the teapot. Now, water can flow or it can crash. Be water my friend. -Bruce Lee
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Bert replied on Mon, Jul 12 2010 11:09 PM

If I'm correct Rand said that libertarians want to "replace capitalism with anarchism", and overall I don't think she saw libertarians and Objectivist on the same pedestal.  Objectivism, at first and to the interested layman may see like the philosophy, but the whole thing seems to be a replacement for everything (just how some Marxist believe their philosophy is the answer to everything).  She tried to wrap up her views on politics, economics, the individual, and philosophy in general into one big thing (as far as I'm concerned).  Put the rational man on the pedestal, answer to all the problems.

I had always been impressed by the fact that there are a surprising number of individuals who never use their minds if they can avoid it, and an equal number who do use their minds, but in an amazingly stupid way. - Carl Jung, Man and His Symbols
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