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pentahedron Posted: Wed, Aug 18 2010 10:48 PM

Aside from this one I frequent the political board on Gamefaqs. It has a left lean but the several libertarians posters are very knowledgeable. There currently aren't any anarco-capitalists though :(

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/261-politics

I also go to the Ron Paul Forums and Hannity forums from time to time but I don't post at either of them since my opinions are usually representated by someone else.

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shazam replied on Wed, Aug 18 2010 10:51 PM

I go to Ron Paul Forums and US Election Atlas Forum. I help to start a budding colony of anarchocapitalists at the latter.

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I hit www.townhall.com quite frequently; it's a real opportunity to educate people about economics, for a couple of reasons.  First, there are a few dedicated statist wingnuts that will go through every wingnut argument about why the government should regulate the economy; this gives one the opportunity to demonstrate, over and over again, why the wingnut pro-government arguments are wrong.  Secondly, the board has people that proclaim themselves to be pro-free market, but who need a better education about what the free market means than what, say, Sean Hannity teaches.  I also maintain a blog there (more or less) called The Blogging Cavalier.

I go to the Free Talk Live bulletin board; http://bbs.freetalklive.com  Beware! the board is unregulated, so there is always a chance that offensive material will be dropped into your discussion of the causes of the Panic of 1819.

 

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Sieben replied on Thu, Aug 19 2010 8:32 AM

I've had a brief experience going to other boards. Basically there are people who will just troll you and not use any real arguments. They are a waste of time. Then there are people who have the intelligence/discipline to engage in a meaningful conversation, and they simply drop out once they realize they're losing.

For example, someone started a thread on the hannity forums about how immigration does not lead to lower living standards for Americans. The argument went back and forth a couple of times and then I pointed out that during our periods of free immigration we had fantastic growth... posted a bunch of links, and they all ignored me from then on.

They also got squeemish when I cornered them on nationalism/racism: "So you're saying that you care more about an American's ability to buy a third gen iPod than a mexican/african/indian's ability to buy food." They just denied being racist, and again, dropped out of the conversation. It probably wasn't a wise move. In the future I should remember that smashing your opponent is not a good idea... although it is very effective at "winning" the argument. I don't think I got through to them on some deeper level though...

I do troll my facebook profile though! We probably all know how un-intellectual our friends are. "Zomg transformers 4 was awesome". "Highschoolfriend #8 likes Toy Story 3". Every now and then I'll set my status up to kind of bait marxist/democrats... or just to let people know how bad the opposition's arguments really are. For example, I quoted an interview with tom sowell. "Q: Senator Obama recently supported legislation that would give a $4000 tax credit for college tuition. How do you feel about that? A: I wouldn't be surprised if tuition went up $4000." Occasionally I'll get someone to bite. Its at least fun for me to tease their politics even if no one responds.

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Consultant replied on Thu, Aug 19 2010 10:12 AM

I read, but do not post on, the forums of www.rothbard.be, the Belgian Mises circle if you will.

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shazam replied on Thu, Aug 19 2010 12:13 PM

I typically have trouble debating on political boards because they tend to take up more time than they are actually worth. Last time I tried it, I stopped when my opponent claimed I was a feudalist.

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Even though the board I go to is pretty mixed I still have to deal with people trolling because oftentimes they dont really care and I do feel like i'm wasting my time some days. And I should try that tactic on facebook >_>

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Marked replied on Thu, Aug 19 2010 2:13 PM

Oh man, I used to post on that board all the time just a few months ago! My account's still on "Purgatory" status right now, though.

 

I've conversed with a few voluntarists there, actually.

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Giant_Joe replied on Thu, Aug 19 2010 2:21 PM

Even though the board I go to is pretty mixed I still have to deal with people trolling because oftentimes they dont really care and I do feel like i'm wasting my time some days. And I should try that tactic on facebook >_>

What I find affective on facebook is passively dismantling myths that people believe in. I don't tell any specific person to read "Anatomy of the State" but I just post it up on my wall once in a while with a couple comments. I just try to rile up interest in people. Once I get them interested, the power of reason either compels them, or goes right over their heads. :p The thing is to not insult anyone. Keep ideas seperate from people, and dismantle those ideas as they stand on their own.

Destroy their fallicious defenses, and instead of giving a killing blow to someone's exposed ego, be merciful and allow them to realize their own error and your kindness and mercy. :) The trick is to not set people off like bombs, and not screw with their worldview too much in one instant.

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Marked do you mean on Gamefaqs? Did you ever post on the politics board?

 

Nice advice Giant_Joe

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Giant_Joe:
The thing is to not insult anyone. Keep ideas seperate from people, and dismantle those ideas as they stand on their own.

Destroy their fallicious defenses, and instead of giving a killing blow to someone's exposed ego, be merciful and allow them to realize their own error and your kindness and mercy. :) The trick is to not set people off like bombs, and not screw with their worldview too much in one instant.

We all need to work on that, but it really is the ticket.

I don't debate politics anymore.  I do try to teach a little free market economics when I can.

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scineram replied on Thu, Aug 19 2010 5:04 PM

None whatsoever.

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Marked replied on Thu, Aug 19 2010 5:19 PM

Marked do you mean on Gamefaqs? Did you ever post on the politics board?

 

Yep!

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I tend to frequent the "Extended Discussion" section of the dreamviews.com forums. It is a website dedicated to "lucid dreaming," which is essentially a phenomenon where one realizes that they are dreaming and can then control what they do in their dreams. I became interested in it in late 2007.

Much to my frustration, a lot of the community consists of hippy, druggie, leftist hipster environmentalists that always speak out against "global corporations" and always talk about how our current lifestyles are destroying the earth's beauty and blah blah blah.

Andrew Cain and I had some fun over there at one point. Now it's just me messing around. It's rather lonely. There is only one fellow Austrian that I know of.

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Oh nice Marked! What was your username?You should make a return, since we need more austrians on the board lol.

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Marked replied on Thu, Aug 19 2010 7:50 PM

Oh nice Marked! What was your username?You should make a return, since we need more austrians on the board lol.

 

 

Like I said, I would, but I got a slamming 1-month purgatory sentence that's about half over.

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It is a website dedicated to "lucid dreaming,"

Much to my frustration, a lot of the community consists of hippy, druggie, leftist hipster environmentalists

Seriously, what else did you expect to find there? 

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Consultant:
Seriously, what else did you expect to find there?

I didn't expect much of anything when I first joined. Being interested in lucid dreaming doesn't mean one is automatically a hipster environmentalist. Take me, for example.

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@Marked

I see, well hope to see you back there sometime. You'll probably recognize me if you know who all the libertarian posters are.

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I just started posting on gamefaqs political boards...I'v already got people hating me because I'v defended the South's right to secced from the union....

 

Anybody know any good links/vids for that btw?  I know Thomas Woods has a few good vids on the subject, but I'm wondering if anybody had anything else.  

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Mises in Liberalism on peoples right to self determination.

Btw I thought that you were someone from Mises when started talking about austranism in one topic. My username is psoesm.

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Thanks.  I actually havent read much MIses actually I need to get off my butt and do so.  Is Liberalism avaliable on E-book somewhere?

 

Yea I'v been a member of gamefaqs for a long time now(pretty much since I'v gotton the internet), but I'v mostly commented on the boards of games I was playing at the time.  I didnt stop by the political boards until you directed me there.  

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Yeah here it is:

http://mises.org/resources/1086/Liberalism-In-the-Classical-Tradition

And this is what you would be looking for:

http://mises.org/liberal/ch3sec2.asp

And yeah I pretty much just post on the politics boards. Despite there being a few zany leftists(im sure you've seen), the libertarian posters such as blacktrance, laisser, and In_you_house2 are pretty much awesome. Hopefully you stick around :p

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razerfish replied on Sat, Aug 21 2010 2:38 AM

There's a solid idea here. Libertarians need a forum to exchange ideas (debate) with statists. Some place with a lot of traffic, hopefully a place controlled by the Libertarians so they're not unwanted trespassers. People on places like Huffington post are so economically and politically ignorant, it boggles the mind. Same with Krugman's blog, but nothing like brain dead crowd on Huffington Post. It would be nice to exchange ideas with them because they have no idea how to handle you, and they're so easy to demolish in debates. One thing I consider a community service is to show ideologue Republicans just how similar they are to they left wing liberals they profess to hate. Save for some different basic constituents and a slight difference in approach, there's not much difference. Nothing crushes your world view like knowing you're basically a fraternal twin with the person you thought was responsible for all that is bad with the world.

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Razer you should join us on that board! One of the things I like about being on that board is that I get to test out any ideas I come up with or read about in a debate with fellow statists. It's easily the best way to learn if you someone picking apart and scrutinizing your arguments. I helps a lot.

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Vichy Army replied on Sat, Aug 21 2010 12:03 PM

http://antiwar-talk.com/

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I can't tell if it's just me but it seems like a lot more people from here have been going onto gfaqs.

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Blueline976:
Take me, for example

Or me!

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Or me!

A fellow lucid dreamer, are we? Heh

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I visit Gamefaqs daily, but never the political forum. After browsing it and a few threads, I can' fathom how you stand to be there. It makes my eyes bleed.

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I visit Gamefaqs daily, but never the political forum. After browsing it and a few threads, I can' fathom how you stand to be there. It makes my eyes bleed.

 

If you think their political forum is bad, you should check out their religion one....

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Orthogonal:
I visit Gamefaqs daily, but never the political forum. After browsing it and a few threads, I can' fathom how you stand to be there. It makes my eyes bleed.

The forums there seem especially stupid. Even the dreaming forum I frequent isn't that childish in its debating.

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I agree and notice that all the good posters on the board who submit well reasonsed posts happen to be libertarian with the exception of a few left wing posters. Generally the board has a left slant

http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/5466/pbpolco.jpg

that is based in a negative perception of capitalism and libertarianism in generally, but one person came out and said they are more right leaning because of us:

I've transitioned from minarcho-syndicalism, to social democracy, to anarcho-socialism, to free market anarchism (but not capitalistic).


I then started reading and watching a lot of libertarian opinions - their overall economic view, and their perceived solutions to the problems I perceived within a free market (I even made a topic on this board). After a while of open-minded reading and overnight consideration, I today decided to call myself a market anarchist.

As for the whole anarchism thing, I don't see the state as a necessary function for social order. You can still have social order without statism, it would just function differently.

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filc replied on Sun, Sep 12 2010 12:53 PM

Nothing beats the community here at mises.org. It's definitely the community that makes this forum what it is. We have some amazing members, and surprisingly you can find many new/intellectually stimulating conversations surfacing on a daily basis. I know it's bias of me to state, but even places like ASC, IMHO, can't offer as rich of a community as mises.org does. I'll never bother wasting my time anywhere else! :)

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MPP replied on Sun, Sep 12 2010 12:58 PM

I go to Slashdot quite often, and contribute there as well (satisfies the inner science nerd in me :-) ). While it's not particularly politically oriented, they do delve into the subject on a fairly regular basis. What i really like about them, though, is that even though they are libertarian-oriented (I'd say more milton friedman-esque than Rothbardian, take that as you will), they do have contributors of a fairly wide political span, making the discussions far more interesting and dynamic than you would find in many boards which can be quite uni-lateral and uninformative (not to mention their discussions can be quite energetic and, shall we say, colorful ;-) ).

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MPP replied on Sun, Sep 12 2010 1:12 PM

Pantahedron, I think you just convinced me to join Gamefaqs :-). Let the powers of libertarianism unite :-))

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I used to frequent /r/anarchism, but the sub-reddit has finally de-evolved into the hypocritical authoritarian mod nonsense me & a minority warned would occur in a sub-reddit that was increasingly recruiting & being selective with mods, whom then proceeded to increase factionalism with only certain tendency icons (& only approving certain flavors of anarchism). 

I do most minor preaching on my FB, as I feel like the emotionalistic barrier between people I know offline is something I must get over one day if I am to be serious about my own opinions (i.e. not being afraid to display them or discuss them).  I've also been trying harder in offline conversations to highlight how 90% of political dialouge is based on leveraging emotions & reasoning by emotions, rather than anything logically or rationally coherent.    

It has led to one or two of my friends reverting on their stance on Intellectual Property, and even if they do not agree with my arguments for anarchism (generally, it's been long enough where I can't really specify what my flavor or prefix is), at the very least they would agree with me on many points of info-anarchism :)

Back on topic, I've really been liking Hacker News latley for the high quality comments & debates that pop-up there.  Reminds of what slashdot & reddit used to be about (although slashdot has largley retained a level of quality despite the number of users due to their modding system, reddit still requires filtering out a lot of digg users & spam).

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Pantahedron, I think you just convinced me to join Gamefaqs :-). Let the powers of libertarianism unite :-))

Nice! Another win for liberty :D

Is your username going to be the same?

 

@Nitro

I know what you mean about the facebook thing. The thing I'm most concerned with is distancing myself from friends over my views. What's the point in sharing views if you have noone to share them with :(

 

@Flic

Yeah the community here has grown on me despite me not being comfortable with the slant at first. Even though i'm a minarchist I can still come here to get good information and ask questions.

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MPP replied on Sun, Sep 12 2010 2:36 PM

@pantahedron: no, i like to keep my virtual identities separate. Paranoid about privacy :-P (for that matter, does anyone know how i can chance my username?) At any rate, it's Cato2001. Not very original, i know...

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I do most of my political chatting on facebook, though I've only got a couple left leaning friends and getting anything across to them is like trying to herd snakes.  I work in a public library and I know the majority of my coworkers are fairly statist but I've been a bit scared to add them on FB since I don't want to be totally shunned at work if I say something they can't handle.  I think I may have to man up (figuratively) and just add some of them on the off chance they actually hear something I say.  This place is really the holy land, it's amazing the amount of information that's covered on the forums here, and almost always with decorum and thoughtfulness.  A place to debate with statists would be useful though, I'm going to check out gamefaqs later. 

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