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Who are Canada's 'freemen'? - Very interesting - any thoughts on this movement or article?

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Redmond Posted: Sat, Oct 30 2010 9:46 PM

Personally my favourite part of this article is when they bring in Timothy McVeigh, and bring up conspiracy theories and violence perpetrated by "freemen"

Seeing as the majority of violence in our society is perpetrated by people who are completely within our system of laws and rules, one might make the arguement that poting out of society is far better for your health and wellbeing!

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HAMILTON, ONT. • When Mika Rasila got pulled over by Niagara police in January for driving his white Pontiac Montana without licence plates, he was ready with a defence: he doesn’t need plates because he’s a Freeman on the Land.

A Freeman on the Land, he explained in a letter he tried to hand the patrol officer through the window, is someone who has revoked his consent to be governed. He has opted out of Canada so the laws don’t apply to him.

It didn’t work.

Police seized his van, arrested him and charged him with six traffic offences, but the incident signaled that the anti-government Freemen on the Land, of which Mr. Rasila is a prominent member, had taken root in Canada.

Watch the videos from this story here.

Across the country, police and officials have been having similar run-ins with “freemen,” also known as “sovereign citizens,” members of a radical movement that does not recognize government authority and consequently refuses to licence their cars, carry government ID or obey police.

“We have thousands of members now,” said Mr. Rasila, who writes on the Freemen of Canada Facebook page, which has over 2,000 members. “We have meetings, we’re fairly organized. They’re very casual, usually just in someone’s living room or we’ll rent a hall.”

Canada’s freemen are a loose collection of true believers, ranging from tax protesters to 9/11 conspiracists to fathers whose children have been apprehended by child welfare agencies. What unites them is their dislike of government.

Self-declared defenders of individual freedom, they are anti-government extremists in the sense that, rather than opposing specific policies, they deny government has any legitimacy at all and want to be left alone to live according to their own rules.

Police aren’t sure what to make of the freemen. Are they harmless fanatics or an emerging domestic extremist group? Although police in Ontario say it’s too soon to tell, they are concerned about the potential for violence and have begun sharing information and circulating intelligence reports on the subject.

“It’s something that we know about, it’s something that we need to know about and it’s something we need to monitor to a degree,” said Sergeant Brian Ritchie of the Hamilton Police Service hate crimes unit.

A freeman is scheduled to appear in court in Toronto in March, but most incidents have been in smaller southern Ontario cities like London and Guelph, as well as in Saskatchewan, Alberta and British Columbia.

“Basically what we’re doing is we’re teaching,” Mr. Rasila said. “We’re not here to recruit people, we’re just educating.” That teaching takes place at small seminars and on the Internet. It promotes an ideology that sounds a lot like conspiracy theory.

Over the past century, the freemen claim, Canada went bankrupt and was taken over by a corporation. Ever since, the government has had no authority to make laws — but it doesn’t want you to know that. “Canada’s been co-opted by criminals,” said Mr. Rasila.

The freemen are not openly racist, although their ideology rests partly on the claim, pervasive in the racist right, that Jews secretly control the world through banking and media ownership.

“You’ve got something that’s a little bit more subtle,” said Rick Eaton, a senior researcher at the Simon Wiesenthal Center in California. “Even though a lot of these groups may be associated with hate groups, they’re very careful.”

Freemen claim Canadians are enslaved by government encroachment but that they know the remedy: anyone can simply opt-out of Canada by severing their “contract” with the government and living instead according to a “common law” enforced by other freemen.

“We have our own police force, we have our own insurance company,” Mr. Rasila said. “But what we don’t have is the compliance of the government, so what they’re doing is they’re sending out their mercenary thugs and their criminal judges.”

Mr. Rasila described his activities as “peaceful non-compliance.” On the Internet, however, he doesn’t always sound so peaceful. A letter he posted on-line warned that “there is in fact a war coming and we the people have had enough.”

A YouTube video shows him throwing knives at a painted gunman while captions advise to “be prepared” because the government has been “co-opted by criminals.” Another post encourages unlicensed gun ownership.

He also claims affiliations with U.S. militias and right wing groups like the Oath Keepers. “It is basically us against the government now,” he said. “If we don’t rein them in then they are just going to take over every possible freedom that we have … I mean if it comes down to defence, we are willing to defend ourselves.”

Asked if he was peaceful, he responded, “I am, yes. But I will defend myself if I have to. I mean, what are we going to do, allow these people to just throw us around? It’s crazy. So we all have to be prepared. We’re not slaves. We are not subject to these laws. We are subject to the laws of nature and the laws of our creator and that’s it.”

How far would he go?

“As far as I’d have to go. Would you allow yourself to be thrown into a cell and be tazed six times when you know this is what happens? Would you?

“I wouldn’t.”

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Canada’s new radical right is appearing as groups with an almost identical platform are exploding south of the border. American sovereign citizens groups emerged in the 1970s as an outgrowth of the tax protest movement.

Some turned violent. The 1995 Oklahoma City bomber, Terry Nichols, was a member of the “sovereign citizen” movement. In 1996, an armed standoff between the Freemen of Montana and federal authorities lasted 81 days.

Experts said the movement is booming again, fueled by the economic crash, demographic changes symbolized by the election of President Barack Obama and incitement by political and media figures.

“It’s a kind of perfect storm of factors that are driving the continued growth of radical right wing groups, and the freemen or sovereign citizens are very much a part of that,” said Mark Potok, director of the Intelligence Project at the Southern Poverty Law Center in Alabama.

For his part, Mr. Rasila, a 44-year-old self-employed contractor originally from Windsor, said he was first exposed to these ideas on the Internet. Three to four years ago, he said, he decided to live as a Freeman on the Land.

He stopped registering his van, voided his government ID and cut himself off from benefits such as welfare and health insurance. By doing so, he believes he has withdrawn his consent to be governed.

“Nobody can tell you what to do as an adult without your express consent or permission,” he said. “This is why you need to void all your identification, void all your contracts and just live your life with decency.”

The freemen should concern Canadians, Mr. Potok said. “The thing to realize is that the conspiracy theories that animate many of these people seem absurd to most thinking people and it is hard to imagine them motivating people to violence.

“But the fact is, we have seen time and time again that a certain percentage of the people that start to subscribe to these theories will end up acting out in criminal violence, sometimes as extreme as murdering police officers.”

On May 20, two West Memphis, Ark., police officers were gunned down with an AK-47 after they pulled over a pair of hardcore “sovereign citizens,” Jerry Kane and his 16-year-old son Joe, for what was supposed to have been a routine traffic stop.

There has been no major freemen violence in Canada but police are taking the threat seriously and have been educating frontline officers about the issue. Sgt. Ritchie said while at the moment freemen are mainly an officer safety issue, there could also be long-term law enforcement challenges.

For example, should freemen follow through with their vow to set up their own police and courts, to make arrests and impose sentences, they could be considered a criminal organization. Likewise, those that claim in seminars that Canadians don’t need to pay taxes or debts might be guilty of counseling fraud.

He said nobody should be fooled by freemen beliefs. “Sometimes you wonder if we’re walking on the same planet, have they gone off the edge,” he said. “The Criminal Code is for all Canadians, and the emphasis is on all. They can’t step outside the law, because the law applies to them. If the law is broken, then that will be dealt with under the law.”

So far, the freemen are mostly a nuisance to traffic police and courts. They will put phony plates on their cars that read FREEMAN and argue endlessly with police when they get pulled over.

One of their tactics is to modify their names. Mr. Rasila now calls himself Mika of the family Rasila. Freemen do that to distinguish themselves from their “strawman” — the version of themselves recorded in government records.

If they get arrested, they engage in what has been termed “paper terrorism” — clogging the courts with seemingly incoherent documents that use the quasi-legal jargon recommended by the movement’s leaders.

“It’s growing almost exponentially,” said Derek Hill, a Freeman on the Land from Windsor, “because people are beginning the realize how badly they’ve been conned, quote-unquote, by the government and by the courts.

“They don’t like it. They’re fed up with the government lying to them. They’re fed up with increasing taxes, police brutality, police state, economic downturn, various reasons, which is very similar to what the U.S.A. is experiencing right now.”

Mr. Hill, 23, said he was saddled with $800 a month student debt payments when he went searching on the Internet for a solution and found the lectures of Freeman on the Land guru Robert-Arthur:Menard (note the added colon).

A former Toronto street comic, Mr. Menard wants to build a Freeman Society of Canada with its own justice system and police force but Mr. Hill dismissed comparisons to U.S. militias.

“Some people have guns because they fear for their lives, because when you’re doing these things and you lawfully win, that doesn’t sit easy with cops,” he said.

“And I’ve heard stories that cops actually go in and physically assault them. So some people had to buy guns in order to secure their personal safety. But I personally don’t believe in guns.”

A week before, he was to appear in court in St. Catharines, Ont., on Oct. 19 to face charges stemming from his arrest in January, Mr. Rasila wrote a letter and posted it on his Facebook page.

It called the officer who pulled him over a “mercenary employee of the corporation of Canada” and said Mr. Rasila had cancelled his “contract” with Canada.

“As is with all Freemen in the freemen society of Canada we simply want to be left alone without interference from the state,” it read. “We will not consent to be governed by you.”

Mr. Rasila never showed up in court but the case went ahead without him. He was convicted on three counts — driving without valid plates, driving with a suspended licence and driving while using an electronic device (the video camera he used to record his arrest).

He was fined $1,250 but he says he won’t pay it.

“Never, absolutely not,” he said. “Would you pay a ransom demand if you didn’t have to?” He called it extortion, since the police are still holding his van and the carpentry tools inside.

He said he was moving west.

“I’m just going to continue living my life peacefully,” he said, “and I’m going to continue to educate people.”



Read more: http://www.nationalpost.com/news/Canada+freemen/3748349/story.html#ixzz13tsbEF6U
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MrSchnapps replied on Sat, Oct 30 2010 11:06 PM

It's quite big in western Canada, too. I know a lot of 'freemen'--Menard is out west here as well.

It's a pretty interesting movement, but a pretty crazy one though. They follow something similar to the people in the U.S. who believe in commercial redemption. If you don't know what that is, you're in for some interesting reading.

Anyway, most of them are a mix between conservatives, libertarians, anarchists, and socialists.

They're pretty harmless and I don't evern see them advocating any violence. Ironically enough, they got me interested in law, although I reject most of their theories now.

That newspaper article sure got it wrong about how all the freemen think the 'jews' are behind it all. There's virtually no trace of racism in the freeman movement. I only know of one major case.

Most have a lot of misunderstandings about capitalism. Menard in particular has socialist leanings which generally follows all redemptionist movements.

If anyone wants to know more, feel free to ask.

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Don't believe a word in National Post.  That article is a fraudulent lampoon from start to finish.  Just search ThinkFree in Google video for real information on Robert Menard's law studies.

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Giant_Joe replied on Mon, Nov 1 2010 11:40 AM

Don't trust any news coming out of Hamilton. :p I've lived here for over 20 years of my life.

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Redmond replied on Mon, Nov 1 2010 12:19 PM

Don't believe a word in National Post. 

As Lew Rockwell put it to me "It is a neocon outfit"

That article is a fraudulent lampoon from start to finish.

Agreed - Thought I would put it up to expose it to some ridicule.

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As usual, statist plans to discredit end up backfiring.  I checked this out, and was pretty impressed with Menard.    This is arguably better than any libertarian strategy I have heard of so far.  Peaceful individual action.

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MrSchnapps:
They're pretty harmless and I don't evern see them advocating any violence. Ironically enough, they got me interested in law, although I reject most of their theories now.

 

I have had the exact same experience. I attended a group out here in Tampa. 

I think there arguments are interesting on minor infractions, although I want to see results, I know their arguments fail in Tax court. 

Now where they should get credit, is the fact that these people are taking action. They are actually committing civil disobedience. A que I believe the rest of the moment should take notice of. 

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This is arguably better than any libertarian strategy I have heard of so far.  Peaceful individual action.

 

I agree. I don't think violence will get us anywhere, but neither will simply talking. Perhaps this movement could be expanded, although, work should be done on how accurate their theories on using the law are. 

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I think there arguments are interesting on minor infractions, although I want to see results, I know their arguments fail in Tax court.

Most likely the stories that you've read are fabricated or mispresentated as the only methods by law society shills.  Federal agencies and sympathizers use guerilla tactics.  I read one case in Canada being presented as proof that a particular method does not work.  Yet when I read the case file I found that the defendant was trying to cheat the system.  Some people just don't understand it and mess up.  It's takes some skillz to navigate these perilous waters.

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Caley McKibbin:

I think there arguments are interesting on minor infractions, although I want to see results, I know their arguments fail in Tax court.

Most likely the stories that you've read are fabricated or mispresentated as the only methods by law society shills.  Federal agencies and sympathizers use guerilla tactics.  I read one case in Canada being presented as proof that a particular method does not work.  Yet when I read the case file I found that the defendant was trying to cheat the system.  Some people just don't understand it and mess up.  It's takes some skillz to navigate these perilous waters.

 

I'm sure there are such fabrications. There definitely are cheats and it does take considerable skill and understanding.  However, the critique I read was actually by a tax attorney that is pro freedom and I think he might even believe in some arguments that don't hold water. He just believes they need to be argued by the right people, under the best circumstances. I'm undecided if he actually has any good cases for such circumstances. 

http://fly.hiwaay.net/~becraft/deadissues.htm

The above is a list of Tax Protestor arguments that he believe are not worth using since the courts have struck them down. They are frivolous etc 

 

This is by someone who seems to be either neutral or not friendly to the "freedom movement" .

The "Tax protestor FAQ"

http://evans-legal.com/dan/tpfaq.html#badarguments

Here is the issue with these "Tax Protestor" arguments, even if their theories are true, what incentive/reason is there for the Tax court to agree with them? As soon as they did that, people would be filling such claims, bringing down the system. 

 

The people who have beaten the tax system have done either one or more of the following (this is a non-exhaustive list):

a) Never got caught 

b) If they got caught but were found innocent, it was most likely through some technicality they were lucky enough to get a jury trial. e.g Lloyd Long case. 

c) Use "legitimate" measures to lessen their tax burden. 

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A "Freeman" is not a tax protestor.  A "Freeman" is someone who opts out of all identification as a citizen and a person.  That is totally different than finding mere loopholes in codes.  I haven't done it myself yet, but probably will at some point.

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Caley McKibbin:

A "Freeman" is not a tax protestor.  A "Freeman" is someone who opts out of all identification as a citizen and a person.  That is totally different than finding mere loopholes in codes.  I haven't done it myself yet, but probably will at some point.

 

True. But their social circles tend to overlap. 
 
Edit: I see what your saying here. Different argument all together. I just the "sovereign citizen" part, which is basically synonymous with "tax protestor". 
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