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How many of you were turned on to Autrian Economics by Ron Paul

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EconNewb Posted: Thu, Nov 4 2010 6:01 PM

After reading End the Fed by Ron Paul I became very interested in Austrian Economics.  I was just wondering how many of you came here for the same reason.

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I was a big dailyshow, bill maher, and crooksandliars.org follower for years. In the presidental campaign of 2008 Ron Paul was the only one I heard of who advocated ending the US's insane foreign policy which I first heard during the debates where Rudolph Giulani berated Paul for saying that 9/11 may have happened for a reason other than the US having more freedom than some obscure place most Americans never heard of in the mideast.  Then I saw him come on either the Daily show or Colbert report(I forget), and he also advocated ending a lot of Government departments. At the time I was dissapointed because my brain operated this way-> "Cutting dept of education = you don't like education". 

But I thought "why not read into his views?" His foreign policy views were so sensible that there has to be good reasoning for his domestic policy views. This led me to a completely new understanding of the role of government and eventually led me to Mises.org. 

 

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Ron Paul lead me to LvMI.

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Eric080 replied on Thu, Nov 4 2010 6:32 PM

Ron Paul -> Cato Institute -> Youtube Austrians -> Mises.

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I found out about Ron Paul when reading a thread in the left leaning scienceforum I used to attend on the US presidential election back in 2007,, finding a reference to him by one of the many left liberals there making a compliment of some sort about his sincerity. That led me to the Austrian School mises.org, and getting the solitary copy of Human Action out of my university library. The rest as they say, is history.

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filc replied on Thu, Nov 4 2010 7:18 PM

I am also one of these people.

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Ron Paul lead me to LvMI.

Same here. Ron Paul --> End the Fed --> Table of Contents --> Mises

EDIT: He's coming to my school again in 15 days. So excited.

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I was an ignorant neocon until I saw the first Republican presidential debate. I was totally blown away when Ron Paul so nonchalantly declared that he would get rid of the income tax and the "inflation tax." It was like a breathe of fresh air, because I always felt that getting rid of the income tax and stopping inflation were "ultraconservative." I was, however, puzzled at his position on foreign policy.

It took some head scratching, research, and kicking and screaming before I began to accept his position and realized that it was totally consistent with the other positions. I realized that the Republican party had lost its way and used to be largely non-interventionist.

I saw the video "Money, Banking, and the Federal Reserve" by the LvMI on YouTube through a search about Ron Paul. I watched it, and the rest was history.

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Since we seem to be doing a leading flow style of description, I'll post mine too:

Erik von Kuehnelt Leddihn --> Mises Media --> Mises

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Nielsio replied on Thu, Nov 4 2010 8:04 PM

Francois Tremblay -> Stefan Molyneux -> Mises.org

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Esuric replied on Thu, Nov 4 2010 9:10 PM

Ron Paul --> LVMI

"If we wish to preserve a free society, it is essential that we recognize that the desirability of a particular object is not sufficient justification for the use of coercion."

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Conza88 replied on Thu, Nov 4 2010 10:00 PM

-> Decided I wanted to learn about philosophy and the world. I really wanted to know the truth. And be certain of it. That required intellectual honesty and genuine enquiry and consideration of all ideas. Looked for an "intellectual", found the most famous one. Started down the road of Chomsky thanks to his anti-US empire views. It was obvious.
-> Was watching a video of his on youtube and someone had spammed "Ron Paul, America's Last Hope"
-> I youtubed Ron Paul, saw him in a debate with Republicans and blew me away. Spend a few days trying to find this guys floor, can't find it. New hero.
-> Ron Paul forums, were I came to support his economic policies - just because if a dude is that principled, he has to have good reasons. Stall about 6 months, until I realised that I knew his conclusions, but had no idea how he got there... and that I couldn't properly defend it.
-> Heard Ron pimp Austrian Economics, so I googled and found this place.
-> Spent next ? going through and listening to the entire mises.org media. Not all of it stuck, but a lot sunk in.

And it continues..

Ron Paul is for self-government when compared to the Constitution. He's an anarcho-capitalist. Proof.
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yuberries replied on Thu, Nov 4 2010 10:29 PM

Alex Jones -> Ron Paul -> AE

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Perhaps I'm in a minority, but for me Libertarianism came from tributary streams flowing together from my personal views on Libertarianism.

For me, it went something like this:

Atheism + Capitalism => Objectivism

Objectivism + Ron Paul => Libertarianism

Libertarianism eventually led me to LvMI.

Now I have Philosophy and Economics all rolled into one package (Rand + Mises + Rothbard + Hayek + Friedman).

I think I would have reached Libertarianism without Paul, but he was there when I was looking for political realization where Rand's Objectivism provided none.  Why is that exactly?  Her philosphy isn't completely anarchistic.  But regardless, I have the whole set now, so I feel more or less complete.

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I was a Rush 24/7 member neocon who loved Ann Coulter. I would take bullets for the Republicans. I remember wanting to learn more about why the Founder's liked capitalism and private property and I found How Capitalism Saved America by Thomas DiLorenzo. I loved Tom's "no holding back" writing style so much that I got The Real Lincoln. It astonished me. I looked him up on-line and found LewRockwell.com and LvMI. The election was going on at this time and I was still a war-pig so I cringed at some of the things that Ron Paul said. But I knew it was all emotional because I admitted that I had no logical response to any of it. Man, changing that part of me over felt so demoralizing. Here I had thought that I was a patriot of freedom.

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Conza88 replied on Fri, Nov 5 2010 4:50 AM

"But I knew it was all emotional because I admitted that I had no logical response to any of it. Man, changing that part of me over felt so demoralizing. Here I had thought that I was a patriot of freedom."

Would you say that you still have that emotional side / passion, but it is now guided in a different direction?

Ron Paul is for self-government when compared to the Constitution. He's an anarcho-capitalist. Proof.
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Ron Paul > Peter Schiff > LVMI

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hugolp replied on Fri, Nov 5 2010 6:57 AM

Guilty here.

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Rawls => Liberalism => in need of learning economics => thought the mainstream mathematical approach was utter bs => gene callahan => mises.org 

The state is not the enemy. The idea of the state is. 

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Dave replied on Fri, Nov 5 2010 9:00 AM

Somewhat guilty

I started when someone reccomended to read Wayne Allen Root "millionaire Republican".

=>That helped me understand a mentality difference. I switched from emotional socialistic liberal to a neocon and began studying some more.

=>Then I heard Ron Paul on economics but did not go any further than listening to him talk on occasion.

=>Then Someone posted a full Rothbard piece on "sodahead" about depressions, their cause and cure.

=>After reading it, I was inspired to learn more because it made so much sense.

=>Went to a C4L conference and listened to Tom Woods, bought his book and was told by a new friend to look up Peter Schiff.

=>Then I found mises.org and figured out that Ron Paul uses Austrian economics.

=>Then i have gone from neocon to libertarian.

=>And I have been reading and studying ever since. Sucking it up through my evolving philosophy has been what I call Progress!

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Bought his Revolution: A Manifesto book. He recommended reading "What has government done to our Money?" on some "mises" website, so I read it and became hooked.

Last year at my old college I finally met him. Brought my End the Fed book for him to sign and was so pumped to talk to him. Not to mention it was the same night that the "Boom and Bust" rap of Keynes and Hayek came out. What a good night haha.

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my original user name indicates that Dr. Paul turned me on to Austrian Economics.

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AdrianHealey:
Rawls => Liberalism => in need of learning economics => thought the mainstream mathematical approach was utter bs => gene callahan => mises.org

That's definitely the road less often traveled.

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I was reading up on economic theory and ran across Ludwig von Mises.  That naturally led me to LvMI.

Some Noam Chomsky minion was ranting on an off topic thread on a sports message board, and I wanted to educate myself a little better on economics than the main stream drivel.  I'd heard about the Chicago school, but as I read about Austrian Economics and theories espoused by Mises and Rothbard I became more convinced.  Coming from a mathematics and statistics background, I just wasn't impressed with the main stream argument.

Ron Paul's exposure wasn't really that great by the time I even gave a damn about the presidential candidates.  All I knew was that I didn't like any of them.  I thought Ron Paul was a libertarian trying to win the Republican nomination, and really didn't think he had a chance given the way the parties operate.  A guy I used to work with tried to do the same thing as a congressional candidate, and he was pretty much hung out to dry by his party (no money, no support).  I didn't see any of the debates with Ron Paul.  It also didn't help that his local supporters were doing a better job of making asses out of themselves than getting his message across.  I knew he was anti-war and anti-fed, but not much else was revealed.

I had read Ayn Rand a little over 15 years ago, but her followers were even more obnoxious than the local Ron Paul crowd.  I definitely identified with the libertarian positions that actually are in Ayn Rand's books.  The Libertarian Party, however, seemed to be confused with no real hope of winning anything.

Now I am of the opinion that even Ayn Rand was too statist for my liking.  Anarcho-Capitalism seems the way to go.  I mean if so many nations are willing to turn to the intellectually bankrupt ideas of communism and socialism, why not just a few give Anarcho-Capitalism a shot?

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--Overall apoliticism > Age 0-15

--2008 campaign rolled around, somehow (I don't quite remember the exact events) I became interested in Ron Paul's campaign (I think it was because he was a "mainstream" candidate in that he was Republican by party affiliation, but radically different from other republicans) > Age 15-16

--An acquaintance from a computer game turned me to libertarianism and LRC (oddly enough, this friend then became a Stalinist shortly after he left the game. I don't think he got past reading LRC articles and Atlas Shrugged. He now resides on revleft as a global moderator, I believe.) > Age 16

--Read LRC at school whenever I was at a computer (Junior year in high school) > Age 16-17

--Eventually migrated to here after I wanted to actually learn economics and libertarian philosophy.  > Age 17-18. The rest is history.

It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan
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Put into the proper format...

Appalachian Heritage (ancestor was actually a neighbor of Thomas Jefferson) --> Ronald Reagan (libertarian portion of his message) --> Ayn Rand --> Objectivism Zealots --> Road Blocks of Stupidity --> NFL Team Message Board --> Some Obnoxious Anonymous Poster --> Noam Chomsky (can't really stand the guy) --> Google (economics) --> Ludwig von Mises et al (after a lot of detours) --> Ludwig von Mises Institute --> Austrian Economics

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Sphairon replied on Fri, Nov 5 2010 10:44 AM

yuberries:
Alex Jones -> Ron Paul -> AE


That's the way.


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liberty student:

AdrianHealey:
Rawls => Liberalism => in need of learning economics => thought the mainstream mathematical approach was utter bs => gene callahan => mises.org

That's definitely the road less often traveled.

I'm aware. I'm a living example of the dictum: 'liberals are libertarians who don't understand economics'. But it really makes sense; I didn't know anything, but it became clear that in order to talk sense about the world, you need to understand a multiplicity of social sciences. So I tried to learn economics from a mainstream perspective - perfect competition and all - but, as a philosopher, it just didn't make sense. It's utter bullshit to study economics like that; so I looked for other ways that did make sense - that made sense in a world with acting human beings and all. 

So I found 'economics for real people'. The rest is history. 

The state is not the enemy. The idea of the state is. 

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Bought his Revolution: A Manifesto book. He recommended reading "What has government done to our Money?" on some "mises" website, so I read it and became hooked.

-Black Numero

 

Same here.

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limitgov replied on Fri, Nov 5 2010 11:38 AM

I was a conservative...or at least thought I was.  Ron Paul woke me up to real freedom.

 

The prisoner wishes to speak.......

 

Freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeedooooooooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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Ron Paul -> Peter Schiff -> LvMI

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mwalsh replied on Fri, Nov 5 2010 1:17 PM

My AP micro/macro econ teacher saying "i'm gonna teach this" > me wanting to know more > looking into all the various books on most recent crash > End the Fed > references in back of the book (The Failure of the New Economics) > references in that book (Human Action) > here > finally finished Human Action

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Xare replied on Fri, Nov 5 2010 1:31 PM

Ron Paul lead me to Murray Rothbard and then Ludwig Von Mises.

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pathos replied on Fri, Nov 5 2010 3:23 PM

I went the other way, actually.

I hated Ron Paul in my neocon days.  I was very interested in economics and one day stumbled upon an article that mentioned someone named Hayek. I did some more research, and that lead me here. Not long after that there were a few videos of Ron Paul put up, and I checked them out. I thought, "Well, he's got good economic sense, but his foreign policy is terrible."

But I never turned away, and it wasn't long after that when I changed my opinion of him, of Republicans, of foreign policy, and of freedom.

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P. J. O'Rourke -> libertarianism -> wikipedia -> Murray Rothbard / anarcho-capitalism ->  LvMI.  I actually came here just looking for a copy of Man, Economy and State.


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Well my path isn't necessarily impressive but probably different. To start, I probably "created" AE in my head prior to hearing about it but without any particular grasp of what it was I was thinking. For me it's probably something like:

[Self-realization of the affect of state intervention] -> Bureaucrash -> CATO/ Reason -> The Economist -> Bullshit (P&T) -> Ron Paul -> LvMI

Prior to all that I was fairly apolotical and probably identified myself as a minarchist prior to the jump to Mises (although mostly for feasibility reasons, not utility). Ron Paul didn't really open my eyes to anything, but I do appreciate what he has done insofar as getting the word out.

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GooPC replied on Fri, Nov 5 2010 3:56 PM

YouTube videos about financial crisis -> Tom Woods -> Mises.org

Prior to finding Mises.org, I read a lot of Reason. Even after a year of reading Reason, I hadn’t developed any principled ideas about liberty. Just ad hoc augments about the inefficiency of this or that government program. Within two months of reading Mises.org (Rothbard in particular) and LewRockwell.com, I have shifted dramatically and I feel I have an incredible understanding of economics and politics that’s grounded in principle.

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Similar to Pathos, although I never hated Paul; I just thought him a bit crazy in the head. The first time I heard of his name was when a friend showed me a dollar bill stamped "Who is Ron Paul?". After that I encountered some Paulians who joined a nation simulator I was playing at the time. This is when I became confident that he was not all there. I grew to symphatize with him when I saw him on the Daily Show announcing that he wanted to get rid of x,y, and z. What won me over was him raising his hand even higher when UNICEF was brought up on the things he would cut if he could.

I wouldn't take Paul seriously until I began studying economics in my free time. I actually discovered Mises and the rest of the Austrians when looking over coat of arms and thinking to myself that Mises' was especially nice. You can imagine how silly I felt when I became an AnCap and realized that Paul had not only been sane the whole time, but actually affiliated with the LvMI.

In short: I've come to study Austrian Economics not because of Paul, but in spite of him.

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Michelangelo: After that I encountered some Paulians who joined a nation simulator I was playing at the time.

Mind if I ask which nation simulator?

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I guess I ought to do my flow chart thing

Economics Class with best friend ---> Best Friend was outspoken libertarian/debated every person and teacher ---> suggested Revolution ---> read it and decided to read End The Fed ---> Looked in the back of End the Fed suggestions ---> mises

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