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Open Source or Proprietary Code?

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djussila Posted: Sat, Dec 18 2010 8:29 PM

Open source describes practices in production and development that promote access to the end product's source materials.The open source model includes the concept of concurrent yet different agendas and differing approaches in production, in contrast with more centralized models of development such as those typically used in commercial software companies.

Proprietary software/code is computer software licensed under exclusive legal right of the copyright holder. The licensee, is given the right to use the software under certain conditions, but restricted from other uses, such as modification, further (re)distribution, or reverse engineering.

 

Which system produces the most desirable results for the producers and consumers of software?

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James replied on Sat, Dec 18 2010 8:56 PM

Proprietary code would probably always have a place in more specialised applications, such as industrial.  Where a company basically has its own software R&D department, or contracts to one especially, to create its own highly specialised software.  But the only thing that would naturally keep it 'proprietary' is the same thing that keeps most trade secrets and confidential information secret.

Honestly, I don't think it's possible to enforce such things when they're general-use applications available to the public at large.  Even if it were moral, which it's not.  In any case, it certainly doesn't help consumers.  On the other hand, Bill Gates probably wouldn't be quite as rich, but in terms of 'producers' as a whole, yeah, they'd be much better off. :p 

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We don't know, but the market process attempts to answer. Also, if we knew the answer to your question, there would be no profit.

Edit: Also, the licensing aspect of proprietary software doesn't necessarily stem from copyright.

(For you experts on Austrian terminology: Go ahead and correct my usage of words.)

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James replied on Sat, Dec 18 2010 9:05 PM

There are still ways of making money if it's open source.  ID Software, Mozilla, Google etc seem to manage.

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There are plenty of software that are free of charge and make money through advertising. For example, Google search, Angry Birds, etc. Are these open source? Technically, no. However, these examples to show that you don't have to charge for a license as is done for Microsoft Office.

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Dustin Jussila:
Which system produces the most desirable results for the producers and consumers of software?

The market.

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Stranger replied on Mon, Dec 20 2010 8:13 AM

As I often mentioned and then explained in great detail, open source software serves the needs of the producers of open-source software, while proprietary software serves the needs of the consumers under the division of labor. In fact no comparison can be made between them because they are two goods so different as to be incommensurable. 

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As I have often mentioned, your statements lead me to believe you have no experience in the digital economy.

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Stranger replied on Mon, Dec 20 2010 7:10 PM

In fact I work on both types simultaneously, giving me the only valid perspective on the matter.

You, I can only presume to be a child.

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Stranger:
In fact I work on both types simultaneously, giving me the only valid perspective on the matter.

I doubt your experience means much, but I mistakenly assumed you had experience that would obviously invalidate your claims.  Either you don't have much experience (since counter-facts are easy enough to find) or you're back to practicing denial when confronted with facts that don't match your theories.

The validity of your perspective can only be determined by the accuracy of your statements.

Here are 5 examples which refute your claims.  PHP, MySQL, Apache, Ruby on Rails, Perl.  I'll add Python in as a bonus.  Don't even need to touch Linux.

Without these, there is no web, commercial or non-commercial.  Good luck arguing that the largest companies on the web, like Google and Facebook, Amazon and eBay don't use a division of labor.  I'm sure you'll do it though.  Cognitive dissonance is the operating paradigm of our discussions.

Stranger:
You, I can only presume to be a child.

With so many other incorrect presumptions, why should anyone imagine this one is any different?

The ad hom is amusing, if only because it's so far from the truth.  laugh

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filc replied on Tue, Dec 21 2010 1:13 AM

liberty student:
As I have often mentioned, your statements lead me to believe you have no experience in the digital economy.

This seems highly likely. We've been down this road with Stranger before. I wonder what internet browser he uses? IE? lulz

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filc replied on Tue, Dec 21 2010 1:15 AM

 

Stranger:
You, I can only presume to be a child.

And yet this is the exact statement one can expect from a adolescent trying to prove himself

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Stranger replied on Tue, Dec 21 2010 7:40 AM

Here are 5 examples which refute your claims.  PHP, MySQL, Apache, Ruby on Rails, Perl.  I'll add Python in as a bonus.  Don't even need to touch Linux.

I've used all of these, yet my customers have no idea what they are.

Case closed.

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If we are going to get into this again can someone please define "better" with respect to the quality of the software? If it's subjective then we have no reason to argue; if it's objective then what is the measure of quality?

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Stranger:

Here are 5 examples which refute your claims.  PHP, MySQL, Apache, Ruby on Rails, Perl.  I'll add Python in as a bonus.  Don't even need to touch Linux.

I've used all of these, yet my customers have no idea what they are.

Case closed.

And my customers do know what they are.  So your experience is exposed as limited.  And your theory shattered.

Case closed and have a nice day.

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filc replied on Tue, Dec 21 2010 11:44 AM

You guys, there are far more consumer products out there, that are open-source. 

Firefox and MediaWiki come to mind. Wikipedia is like the worlds 4th most visited website. There is more, Open-Source modeling is moving outside of SD market and into other markets. 

 

Crossfit programs are typically open-source. You are free to follow the program on your own, you just have to invest in the capital to do so(Just like a software developer developing open source code)

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