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A Question on the Depression of 1920

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Sam29 posted on Thu, Jan 13 2011 5:47 PM

Critics have attacked us saying that Harding cut tax rates, but that he increased taxes overall by expanding the tax base...is this true?

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On the tax foundation link I posted, it has the income levels for the rate of taxation.  I assume the claim was made on the basis that in 1921, the top tax rate applied to income over $1,000,000, but in 1922 it applied to income over $200,000.  But when examined closely, this claim is ignorant of the fact that the top rate in 1921 was 73% and in 1922 it was 58%.  There were dozens of marginal rates back then.  But if you look at them comparatively, in 1921, if you made $200,000/year, you were entering the 68% range.  While in 1922, that was where it stopped at 58%.

 

But if that doesn't suffice, I don't know what does.  So you would have to ask for a source to support his claim.

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He cut spending by 50%.  End of story.

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Sam29 replied on Thu, Jan 13 2011 5:59 PM

Ok thats good but I mean...citations? Substance?

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Sam29 replied on Thu, Jan 13 2011 6:08 PM

I have watched this several times, but this is what is being crituiqued by the Keynsian...I guess I will do some digging

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That would be a waste of time.  He is playing you with the eternal skeptic routine.

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I would suggest reading Daniel Kuehn's recent paper published in the Review of Austrian Economics.

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Gero replied on Thu, Jan 13 2011 8:55 PM

Read The Forgotten Depression of 1920 by historian Thomas E. Woods, Jr.

Jonathan M. F. Catalán, if you are referencing his paper criticizing Thomas Woods, Robert Murpy, and Jim Powell, then I disagree. He argues the policies carried out in the 1920-1921 depression were Keynesian (price stability being the goal). However, the Great Depression was the great empirical test that showed Keynesianism was a giant failure. He does not see that.

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I would suggest reading Daniel Kuehn's recent paper published in the Review of Austrian Economics.

His name does not come up in the search engine.

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Gero,

You disagree with what?

It's true that Kuehn argues with a Keynesian perspective, and I certainly would not suggest paying blind faith to his argument.  However, Kuehn's broader point is that the Depression of 1920-21 is not empirical evidence either for or against Austrian theory or for or against Keynesian theory, and I think that that's a point we should agree with (well, Kuehn is trying to defend Keynesianism from the idea that the Depression of 1920-21 proves Keynesian theory wrong, more specifically).

I would have made the argument on different grounds (methodological), since I don't agree with much of Kuehn's theory, but his paper is more about historical evidence rather than theory, anyways.

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Gero replied on Thu, Jan 13 2011 11:20 PM

I disagree with reading it because he is wrong. It can easily mislead someone who does not see why his narrative is wrong. Yes, the Keynesian and Austrian prescription for the 1920-1921 depression were the same (austerity), but they differed in response to the 1929 stock market crash. Keynesianism was applied during the Hoover administration and expanded during the Roosevelt administration. The result was suffering for over a decade.

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We're not talking about the Great Depression, we're talking about the Depression of 1920-21.  This isn't a discussion of the validity of a theory, but a historical discussion.  If Woods', Murphy's, and Powell's histories of 1920-21 are incomplete, and Kuehn's paper shows us why, then there's absolutely no reason to marginalize Kuehn's paper.

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Esuric replied on Thu, Jan 13 2011 11:33 PM

We're not talking about the Great Depression, we're talking about the Depression of 1920-21.  This isn't a discussion of the validity of a theory, but a historical discussion.  If Woods', Murphy's, and Powell's histories of 1920-21 are incomplete, and Kuehn's paper shows us why, then there's absolutely no reason to marginalize Kuehn's paper.

Can you link the paper please?

"If we wish to preserve a free society, it is essential that we recognize that the desirability of a particular object is not sufficient justification for the use of coercion."

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The article hasn't been published in print yet, and is available on SpringerLink under "online first".  Here is the abstract, with a link to download if you can.  There is a free working paper version, IIRC (it's longer than the published version, and contains things that Kuehn had to edit out), but I'm not sure where it's located.  Try putting the title into Google and see what comes up.

Btw, I'm not saying Kuehn is right (this is meant more for Gero)—on many things (including things he says in the paper) I think he's wrong, and he and I argue all the time.  However, I don't think his paper should be marginalized just because you think false conclusions can be misleading.  If you're going to isolate yourself from criticism, and instead narrow your reading to things you conceive as correct, then I'm afraid that this strategy comes terribly close to placing blind faith on a particular vision.  I prefer to compare and contrast, even if I am biased towards Austrian economics.  Like I said though, a large portion of the paper is meant to review empirical data, and so that should be taken on its own (and compared to the data presented by Woods, Murphy, and Powell).

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Search turned up nothing for me.

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