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Phaedros replied on Wed, Apr 20 2011 11:37 AM

http://www.alternet.org/books/145819/ayn_rand,_hugely_popular_author_and_inspiration_to_right-wing_leaders,_was_a_big_admirer_of_serial_killers?page=1

The far left isn't pulling any punches.

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Conza88 replied on Fri, Apr 22 2011 10:56 AM

Ron Paul is for self-government when compared to the Constitution. He's an anarcho-capitalist. Proof.
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Nielsio replied on Fri, Apr 22 2011 9:06 PM

 

4 million views in eight days.

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Phaedros:

http://www.alternet.org/books/145819/ayn_rand,_hugely_popular_author_and_inspiration_to_right-wing_leaders,_was_a_big_admirer_of_serial_killers?page=1

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Justin Raimondo has probably said far worse about Objectivists.

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Why we don't need economic illiterates trivializing the dangers of socialized medicine...

Holy crap! They are actually showing this in schools? That's not just politically slanted indoctrination, that's fricking insane!

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Funny how all the domestic companies that are on the list were all recently bailed out by the government....

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Blast from the past. Nixon about ending the gold standard. The speculators did it. Fair competition. To increase jobs, 10% tarrif. Unfair exchange rates.

EDIT: According to Wikipedia, this speech was immensely popular.

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Nielsio replied on Tue, Apr 26 2011 2:22 PM

Moral Markets: Paul Zak discusses Oxytocin, Trade, and Human Nature

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Nielsio replied on Wed, Apr 27 2011 9:37 AM

Ron Paul Doesn't "Accept" Evolution?!?

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Ron Paul Doesn't "Accept" Evolution?!?

 

Ron Paul is a very Christian person, so yes, chances are that he doesnt accept evolution. Why does she act all shocked about that?

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Cracked.com gets it:

http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-question-youre-not-asking-should-you-go-to-college/

Very informative, about the incredible lie and rip off of college.

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Conza88 replied on Wed, Apr 27 2011 11:01 AM

Non substantive rant. Maybe she should have watched the completely unedited version, as opposed the highly edited one? I remember addressing this years ago.

Straight first points to her video:

1) Ahhh, maybe because he's not a scientist?

2) Education is the key to the future? Yeaaaaah, so get rid of the state monopoly on it. That requires political philosophy... what Ron excels at - hence his entire point and your lack of one.

3) "Isn't a world leaders "relationship with science important?"

No. There should be no official relationship to begin with. World rulers btw. ;)

4) Correct on them understanding about how the world works... except why should you care what someone believes outside of political philosophy if it is not going to affect their end goal within political philosophy? Aye? What does it change if he is color blind and yet never makes any pronouncement on what the colours of anything should be?!

Anyway stopped there since she hasn't watched the proper video. Transcript here (brackets is what she never saw).

“‘Well, at first I thought it was a very inappropriate question, you know, for the presidency to be decided on a scientific matter, and I think it’s a theory, a theory of evolution, and I don’t accept it, you know, as a theory, but I think [it probably doesn't bother me. It's not the most important issue for me to make the difference in my life to understand the exact origin. I think] the Creator that I know created us, everyone of us, and created the universe, and the precise time and manner, I just don’t think we’re at the point where anybody has absolute proof on either side. [So I just don't...if that were the only issue, quite frankly, I would think it's an interesting discussion, I think it's a theological discussion, and I think it's fine, and we can have our...if that were the issue of the day, I wouldn't be running for public office.']

When you point him out as not "accepting evolution", it is a non sequitur to then label him a fundamentalist.

Just because you don't support pro-choice, does not then mean you are pro-life.

'As you can see, half of RP’s words were censored. His real message was, ‘We’re fighting for freedom and can’t afford to be split over a debate about fossils.'

And this... if someone would like to provide some responses to those articles I'd be appreciative. [Non-religious scientists against theory of evolution]

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Nielsio replied on Wed, Apr 27 2011 11:28 AM

Conza wrote:

4) Correct on them understanding about how the world works... except why should you care what someone believesoutside of political philosophy if it is not going to affect their end goal within political philosophy? Aye? What does it change if he is color blind and yet never makes any pronouncement on what the colours of anything should be?!

His method of understanding reality is very important. Paul shows in that video that he doesn't understand the scientific method, which turns a lot of people off to him and his message (..regarding economics, morality, etc).

You know how Austrian economics is painted as unscientific? Something like this has an effect on that.

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skylien replied on Wed, Apr 27 2011 12:02 PM

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"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes, qui custodes custodient? Was that right for 'Who watches the watcher who watches the watchmen?' ? Probably not. Still...your move, my lord." Mr Vimes in THUD!
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Conza88 replied on Wed, Apr 27 2011 12:22 PM

Nielsio wrote:

"His method of understanding reality is very important. Paul shows in that video that he doesn't understand the scientific method, which turns a lot of people off to him and his message (..regarding economics, morality, etc).

You know how Austrian economics is painted as unscientific? Something like this has an effect on that."

It is very important. The "scientific method" however, has nothing to do with economics or political philosophy.

The appeal to the "scientific method" outside of the natural sciences is a rhetorical one (far easier to co-opt a phrase with positive connotations than support the rise of a new one). It is one that Stefan uses alot and that I completely disagree with not only on epistemological grounds, but also accuracy in language.

Praxeology is the proper methodology of the social sciences, not the "scientific method".

Economics is a science, so is political philosophy. They however, operate with a different method. It is thus absurd to categorise the two different methods (that of the physical sciences and that of the social sciences) to achieving the truth under the same title.

The Mantle of Science by Murray Rothbard

"In our proper condemnation of scientism in the study of man, we should not make the mistake of dismissing science as well. For if we do so, we credit scientism too highly and accept at face value its claim to be the one and only scientific method. If scientism is, as we believe it to be, an improper method, then it cannot be truly scientific. Science, after all, means scientia, correct knowledge; it is older and wiser than the positivist-pragmatist attempt to monopolize the term.

Scientism is the profoundly unscientific attempt to transfer uncritically the methodology of the physical sciences to the study of human action. Both fields of inquiry must, it is true, be studied by the use of reason—the mind's identification of reality. But then it becomes crucially important, in reason, not to neglect the critical attribute of human action: that, alone in nature, human beings possess a rational consciousness..."

The differences in both are clearly spelt out here:

Praxeology as the Method of the Social Sciences by Murray N. Rothbard

Praxeology: The methodology of the Austrian School by Murray Rothbard

What is the Proper Way to Study Man? by Murray Rothbard

In Defense of "Extreme Apriorism" by Murray Rothbard

What Empiricism Can't Tell Us, and Rationalism Can by Mark Crovelli

I agree that it would have the effect you mention, that is because of peoples ignorance though... not sure how that can be blamed on Ron Paul. He didn't think it should be asked / was relevant - and neither do I.... as for the reasons outlined above.

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Nielsio replied on Wed, Apr 27 2011 12:46 PM

You're likely working under a different meaning of 'scientific method' than I am. To me, the scientific method is the method of science. This means there is only one method. And the problem with positivists is that they are not scientific.

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Nielsio replied on Thu, Apr 28 2011 10:02 AM

Anarchy in India?

 

Start at 3m50s:

 

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*2nd Hayek rap video has it's own thread*

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vaduka replied on Thu, Apr 28 2011 10:55 AM

Nielsio, those are very nice videos! I could not help myself ask the question - can you imagine how much more well these communities would live if their incentives were not distorted by the State (since what they are doing is considered illegal by State law)? :)

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Conza88 replied on Fri, Apr 29 2011 4:16 AM

"You're likely working under a different meaning of 'scientific method' than I am. To me, the scientific method is the method of science. This means there is only one method. And the problem with positivists is that they are not scientific."

Yeah, I was operating under the mainstream definition. When anyone uses it, I'm assuming that's what they mean.

The Oxford English Dictionary says that scientific method is: "a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses."[3]

Though I understand the uses of co-opting the phrase.


Anyway...! @ everyone...

I am wondering, when will Hoppe's Democracy The God that Failed... be removed from the webs of IP? Why is it not already online free in pdf?

Probably already answered somewhere... I think it's a big loss is all. Plus I want to look for a passage.

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Phaedros replied on Fri, Apr 29 2011 6:26 PM

http://ij.org/about/3770

"Can the government force certain businesses to charge a minimum price just to protect politically connected companies from competition?  That is the question the Institute for Justice and three of its clients want answered in a federal lawsuit filed today in the U.S. District Court for the Middle District of Tennessee.  Their lawsuit challenges the constitutionality of Nashville’s new limousine and sedan regulations, including a $45 fare minimum for car service.  The plaintiffs own affordable limousine and sedan services and charge an average of $25 per trip."

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Nielsio replied on Sat, Apr 30 2011 9:42 AM

Bruce Schneier: The security mirage

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Conza88:
I am wondering, when will Hoppe's Democracy The God that Failed... be removed from the webs of IP? Why is it not already online free in pdf?

Me too.  Does anyone know how this situation came about?  Who is the copyright holder and why would HHH choose to publish through a publisher that would not allow it to be put online?

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Conza88 replied on Mon, May 2 2011 12:12 PM

"Me too.  Does anyone know how this situation came about?  Who is the copyright holder and why would HHH choose to publish through a publisher that would not allow it to be put online?"

Going to ask the same of RP... I take it is a condition to get in with the main publishers, i.e those that get you in the top 10 on NYT Best Seller list... so there's a trade off.

For Hoppe though, no idea why that'd be any consideration.

Does Ron have a chapter on IP in his Liberty Defined? Anyone know?

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Does Ron have a chapter on IP in his Liberty Defined? Anyone know?

No2statism said IP was a glaring omission from Ron's book.

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Conza88 replied on Mon, May 2 2011 12:52 PM

Interesting. I wonder if he wrote a chapter on it, but then it was decided to be left out or something (for the obvious controversy it'd draw within the libertarian movement). So as a political book - why would you put something in that would draw people away from further investigating the political philosophy as opposed to becoming more interested? Or that it is very unlikely to change someones mind on the issue in such a short chapter?

That's one side of the coin.

Pretty disappointing though I spouse.. If the youth are his target audience etc.. IP is illegitimate is one of those issues that can be appealing.

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Squatter Cities = Proto-Anarchy? Related to what Nielsio posted.

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Conza88 replied on Tue, May 3 2011 7:37 PM

It's May... :o

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