Is this autmatic self-defense a libertarian reflex to the constant onslaught of statism?
I do kid, but I don't see why you appear to quarrel; I was generally agreeing with you. I said I drink raw milk but have not personally read of the benefits; I have just heard.
Plus, I said that if raw milk can be regulated, then so can many other things along the same reasoning. NH doesn't have this raw milk problem, so I don't know why you mention regulation. We agree :P
Em_ptySkin wrote: I think that taking over a state is impossible. The more feasible option would be finding a large enough place of land (Not an entire state) that a community can function completly independent in terms of food and jobs from multi national corporations. Then to form a City-State there...
I'm working on a plan to do just this, but it involves forming permanent communities that live on the ocean in floating structures ;)
Em_ptySkin wrote: I think that taking over a state is impossible. The more feasible option would be finding a large enough place of land (Not an entire state) that a community can function completly independent in terms of food and jobs from multi national corporations. Then to form a City-State there... I'm working on a plan to do just this, but it involves forming permanent communities that live on the ocean in floating structures ;)
That's what I could imagine free staters doing: completely freeing a small town and turning it into the closest thing possible to a free market stateless territory within a state. Grafton, NH is looking like it might become that place.
I actually was one of the three people who just rewrote the 101 reasons in the winter, you don't need to tell me whats in it.
You have to pay Federal income tax in every state, you pay social security and medicare in every state, this equalizes all of the states to a large degree. If there was no Federal government, then yes it looks like New Hampshire would probably be noticably more free than the other states.
Basically nobody drinks raw milk, its not a selling point. I don't care if it is or isn't more healthy.
Whats up with the obsession with self reliance and survival techniques. Self reliance sounds like a great way to live in poverty. Living in cities allows you to take advantage of a greater division of labor and more competition..
http://mises.org/daily/5481/The-Economics-of-Big-Cities
there are plenty of people in rural areas that live off of Big Government subsidies, its certainly not something that only comes with big cities. You are also more likely to have a good ole boys situation in a rual area with your local government. If you get on their bad side, they will know exactly who you are, and could make your life hell. In a city, its unlikely that you would be persecuted for personal or political beliefs by the individuals bestowed with the power of government, because they aren't likely to know who you are.
Emminent Domain isn't really that big of a deal compared to property taxes. Its likely that most people will never have their property siezed under emminent domain, but EVERYBODY has to pay property tax. basically the local governments of NH think that they part own a larger percentage of your property than most other areas of the country. How is that in line with property rights?
I don't know whats up with open carrying in the state house. What is the point of that? Kind of turns the 'gun in the room' argument on its head, especially in the eyes of the public.
Joe:I actually was one of the three people who just rewrote the 101 reasons in the winter, you don't need to tell me whats in it.
So how much different would you say NH winters are from ones in - I don't know - Maryland or Indiana?
Whats up with the obsession with self reliance and survival techniques. Self reliance sounds like a great way to live in poverty. Living in cities allows you to take advantage of a greater division of labor and more competition.. http://mises.org/daily/5481/The-Economics-of-Big-Cities
Because we don't know what could happen in the near future. Human society has been seriously dumbed down since the move from the country to the city and even more so when it moved to civilization some 10,000 years ago. Self-reliance is a great way to get out of the collectivist mentality that cities and civilization foster and live by your own skills regardless as to what happens. You tell me if most of the people you know who live in cities would be able to survive a huge (and when I say "huge" I mean something that makes the 2008 meltdown look like a walk in the park) economic collapse.
Freedom4Me73986: I actually was one of the three people who just rewrote the 101 reasons in the winter, you don't need to tell me whats in it. So how much different would you say NH winters are from ones in - I don't know - Maryland or Indiana?
This is just one more piece of evidence that makes me wonder about you.
Self-reliance is a great way to get out of the collectivist mentality that cities and civilization foster and live by your own skills regardless as to what happens.
It's also a great way to live in poverty.
Human society has been seriously dumbed down since the move from the country to the city and even more so when it moved to civilization some 10,000 years ago.
You cannot be serious.
Self-reliance is a great way to get out of the collectivist mentality that cities and civilization foster and live by your own skills regardless as to what happens. It's also a great way to live in poverty.
Define "poverty". If it means not being able to obtain the things you need to survive on a day-to-day basis then I can assure you you'll be in poverty when/if the economy crashes for good and you lack the skills.
Human society has been seriously dumbed down since the move from the country to the city and even more so when it moved to civilization some 10,000 years ago. You cannot be serious.
Study primitive peoples. I'm not kidding.
Self-reliance is a great way to get out of the collectivist mentality that cities and civilization foster and live by your own skills regardless as to what happens. Human society has been seriously dumbed down since the move from the country to the city and even more so when it moved to civilization some 10,000 years ago.
To abandon specialization and live solely on what you alone can produce would indeed be a good way to enter poverty. Have fun with that.
Self-reliance is a great way to get out of the collectivist mentality that cities and civilization foster and live by your own skills regardless as to what happens. Human society has been seriously dumbed down since the move from the country to the city and even more so when it moved to civilization some 10,000 years ago. To abandon specialization and live solely on what you alone can produce would indeed be a good way to enter poverty. Have fun with that.
And you can have fun starving to death once civ crumbles as the economy collapses and political system goes belly-up.
http://www.raw-food-health.net/HunterGatherers.html
http://www.gospelofthomas.org/zerzan_articles.html
Needless alarmism.
Explain what your plan is to deal w/ collapse.
You are feeding the fears people have that AnCap = complete chaos.
I have a plan. I was a boy scout. I can take care of myself in the wilderness, hunt if need be, etc.
But I'm also realistic about the chances of that being necessary, which are virtually zero. You don't understand the nature of the market nor what financial collapse means if you think it can happen so easily. You don't understand the source of wealth itself, which stems initially from the power of human imagination and work.
I would put being nuked ahead of financial collapse in terms of likelihood, and even that I don't consider likely.
You're talking as if such a possibility is on the verge, when it's not. Even if we defaulted, we're not talking financial collapse. A default nearly happened not because we can't pay our bills but because Congress couldn't agree on how to pay them.
You're way out of line.
During the German hyperinflation of the 1920s, did you see people leaving in droves to live off the land? I don't think so, at least I have never heard of that.
Life sucks balls in a hyperinflaiton, you can't save, time preference drops to basically zero, but life was STILL better than living like hunter-gatherer.
NH winter was noticiably worse than in MD. December was that bad, but Jan and Feb were miserable and then March was very cold and even April was very cool, lots of grey days in the low 50s. May, June, September, and October are the only pleasant months weather wise. Maybe the start of November and the end of April, the ocasional day in July, and the tail end of August if you're lucky, although there were days at the end of August last year that were 100 +.
Weare is a very small town in NH and they have had a number of run ins between free staters and the police.
I blame the popular fantasy culture for this through their end-of-movie scenes where the whole building collapses/island sinks.
And maybe if they did fascism would have been avoided. The whole point of "living off the land" is to ignore the state and live by your own rules and skills.
How so? I'm on the belief that civilization is by its nature collectivist.
Civilization IS collectivist/socialist. Once you're in civ you're automatically thrown into a group and forced to think with the group. Socialism is any system that puts the collective over the individual, so civ is blatantly socialist.
Come to NH. Live off the land for a little while and see how much better you like it compared with being shoved into a city with a million others where you're coerced into going out of your way for others.
In other news, Free Keene activist Ian Freeman is being imprisoned for 90 days.
http://freekeene.com/2011/08/10/free-keene-blogger-ian-freeman-caged-for-90-days/
You're not FORCED to think with the group unless you have government indoctrination. And society is not a bad thing. Many of the major advances in history are due to interaction of knowledge and ideas. Heck, this forum is a society. Are we thus collectivist? (Though I must admit I have found myself irrationally agreeing with some people here :P )
Collectivism by choice = free association = good
^ +1
Good in the sense of libertarian principles. Though you can argue "doing crack by choice = individual choice = good," though I would disagree. The argument becomes not moral but practical: "can you achieve your maximum potential if you interact in a society of people or does that inherently dumb you down."
This is ridiculous. Civilization has nothing to do with collectivism or socialism. Civilization is a collection of people whom VOLUNTARILY interact in their best economic and social interests.
I've done the whole 'getting back to nature' thing here in Arkansas. It is a dreadfully boring existence, in my opinion. It steals time from other activities I can be doing that will improve the world, like overhauling the education system. Or maybe inventing a new product. Instead, you're tending to your garden or cattle. Minimalism isn't for everyone. And civilization isn't bad because it isn't minimalist.
As for why I've never moved to New Hampshire for the Free State Project? I hate colde weather with every fiber in my body. They should've started it in Belize. I could get behind that.
Too far north too damn cold
"doing crack by choice = individual choice = good" though I would disagree.
there is nothing immoral about doing crack... maybe you should have used murder or rape as an example, but not doing crack.. The main thing is, is that state socialism/collectivism is coercion while society forming from a division of labor is not...
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Production is 'anarchistic' - Ludwig von Mises
I don't think he was referring to the morality of doign crack. More of a 'crack is bad for your body' analogy.
the sentence after that one, does imply that he was meaning it as a moral statement
Yes. It's not necessarily immoral, it's just not good to be doing crack.
It gets as hot as Florida does in the summer. This July it was nearly 100 degrees out. It only gets "too damn cold" in December, Jan, Feb, and most of March.
No. Civ is based on agriculture and animal husbandry. I'm talking about living like a hunter-gatherer where you hunt and gather your food supply in the wild.
Look, no one likes the cold. But all of the states nominated for the FSP (meaning the states which are the most libertarian and free market) all have weather. NH, Wyoming, Idaho, Alaska, Montana and the Dakotas aren't Belize but they're not Cuba either.