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Ghaddafi is dead: Even Saddam got a trial edition

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DanielMuff Posted: Fri, Oct 21 2011 1:04 AM

So, Ghaddafi and at least one of his sons were killed by people warring on behalf, or at least financed by, the USA government. Assuming that Ghaddafi is actually dead, or living in a in cottage on an remote mountain after being paid off to leave or paying not to be killed in exchange for leaving, what's next? Is the invasion of Syria next, like Lindsey Williams' sources say?

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Bert replied on Fri, Oct 21 2011 1:09 AM

My sources to news seem to be Facebook (and this forum), but I also happen to have a local news station's page added, and I saw an article posted about the suspicion that Ghaddafi is dead.  No big deal it seems, just another leader pushed out the way.  Hell, I don't think anyone I know is aware of this.  I assume we'll set up democracy held up with our money and try to elect one of "our guys".

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Muammar_Gaddafi

(and even though they say WIkipedia is as accurate as Britannica, and more accurate that a lot of mainstream news on science topics, I tend to lend it even more credibility when it comes to stuff like this.)

 

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Bert replied on Fri, Oct 21 2011 1:55 AM

Let's take a look at some of the more negative comments from Wiki:

ZimbabweCairo Mhandu, a member of the Zimbabwean Parliament with President Robert Mugabe's ruling Zimbabwe African National Union – Patriotic Front (ZANU-PF) party, expressed grief over Gaddafi's death. "This is a sad day for the people of Africa... Muammar Gaddafi won elections and was a true leader. It is foreigners who toppled him, not Libyans. Gaddafi died fighting. He is a true African hero." Mhandu called the former leader's downfall "the beginning of a new recolonisation of Africa". Others in the Zimbabwean journalism industry and on the Zimbabwean streets were less sympathetic, with many expressing happiness at the event.

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Venezuela - President Hugo Chávez told the AFP "We shall remember Gaddafi our whole lives as a great fighter, a revolutionary and a martyr. They assassinated him. It is another outrage."

Well, that's it.  Everything else is positive that a dictator is taken out of power.  It's one of those things where I agree with the sentiment from Western countries, that a dictator is down, and I read how people in the Middle East are very ecstatic about it, but being realistic about it I can't help to think it'll be more of the same.  This leads me to the comment above, another recolonisation of Africa, I find this likely with democracy.  One the other hand Chavez is an idiot.

Edit: I keep catching myself equating Libya with the Middle East, but besides cultural similarities (language and religion) it is strikingly odd another oil rich country with brown people (as Carlin said, we love to bomb brown people) becomes a target of our government.

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You've seen this, right?

 

 

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Kakugo replied on Fri, Oct 21 2011 6:14 AM

I still remember last year when every single European leader was genuflecting and kissing his feet... lending credence to that phrase from Kissinger "It's much better being our enemy than our friend". I am sure Fidel Castro and General Giap (who just turned 100) agree wholeheartedly.

Libya was a trial for the wars to come: it cost relatively little (at least compared to Afghanistan and Iraq) and local militias bore the blunt of the casualties. No need to hide the flag-wrapped caskets or the crippled veterans. No need to maintain a massive occupation army. The proganda machine worked perfectly hiding from the casual viewer the depth of NATO involvement.

So what's next? It doesn't really matter because the ultimate prize is always the same: Iran.

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Bert replied on Fri, Oct 21 2011 10:11 AM

I posted this on FB and my friend comments:

"It was UK forces. The claims of US forces assisting in the Gadaffi takedown are false, we have had no role in the libyan struggle except news coverage and claims of assistance [emphasis mine]. Th UK and France were the only nations providing firearms and extra forces.

Also: even at that, No UK or France forces were involved in the actual takedown of Gadaffi, a NATO drone followed the caravan and a NATO warplane dropped one bomb on it Gadaffi, not being in the caravan was discovered by Libyan rebels in a sewage pipe under a six lane highway in Sirte."

Uh?

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Kakugo replied on Fri, Oct 21 2011 12:51 PM

Your FB friend (different from RF friend) probably forgot the opening shots of the war were fired by the US, in the form of a storm of Tomahawk cruise missiles launched from 6th Fleet vessels and air attacks by B2 Spirit bombers. CIA "operatives" were on the ground to provide intelligence and Predator drones were in the skies (one is supposed to have spotted Khadafi's convoy yesterday). Also, according to the US Navy, the war has been used to test the new EA18 Growler electronic warfare aircraft. That's hardly "news coverage and claims of assistance". wink

And let's not forget that Strike Eagle which crashed following engine malfunctions whose crew, contrary to intial media reports, had to be rescued by a US SAR team (flying the controversial Osprey tiltrotor craft) instead of the "friendly" and "efficient" NTC troops.

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Bert replied on Fri, Oct 21 2011 1:07 PM

Well, having known him for over 10 years I can say he's a dumbass.  It was just the type of arrogance that's paraded around from such people when they try to give a rebuttle that you know is false, and when I'm told to watch the news more.  I don't know what they put up on Fox News and MSNBC, but whatever it is it must be retarded as hell.

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Since we're off-topic now, anyone else can't wait till Battlefield 3 comes out?

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Daniel Muffinburg:
Since we're off-topic now, anyone else can't wait till Battlefield 3 comes out?

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"Pumped beyong all belief."

I'm pre-downloading it right now on Origin, running around my apartment with a combat helmet on listening to this

http://youtu.be/VEJ8lpCQbyw

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"Pumped beyong all belief."

I'm pre-downloading it right now on Origin, running around my apartment with a combat helmet on listening to this

http://youtu.be/VEJ8lpCQbyw

PC? WHY!!!!!!! PS3 FTW!!!!11 Get it for PS3 for we can play together against others in a libertarian fashion. In other words, we won't snipe opponents unless they shoot at us first.

Seriously how do you post videos? There use to be an icon for it.

Yes, there was.

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Seriously how do you post videos? There use to be an icon for it. 

 

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There's a video of Gaddafi's last moments as he's being dragged away to an unknown location. It ends shortly before he was shot and killed.

I would've been terrified if I were him. No wonder why Hitler had his body burned.

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There's a video of Gaddafi's last moments as he's being dragged away to an unknown location. It ends shortly before he was shot and killed.

I would've been terrified if I were him. No wonder why Hitler had his body burned.

I think it could have been a body double. I find it convenient that, after the Osama debacle, there is a video that clearly shows Ghadaffi's face.

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Daniel Muffinburg:
I think it could have been a body double. I find it convenient that, after the Osama debacle, there is a video that clearly shows Ghadaffi's face.

Well, funny how we get immediate documentation when Obama has nothing to do with it :P

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Anyone else think that it looked liek they ripped out his eyes?

Syria....maybe... but don't forget we're "advising" in Uganda right now. Remember back in the 60's we were "advising" vietnam"? And then we had to "protect" the "advisors"? Could happen in Uganda.

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Vitor replied on Fri, Oct 21 2011 6:33 PM

The whole thing really reminded me of V for Vendetta that we only see Adam Sutler almighty on big screens, but when we finally see him personally, he is hurt and pissing his pants of fear.

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