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Very Interesting Article about Economics by "The Economist"

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wolfman Posted: Thu, Dec 29 2011 5:11 PM

http://www.economist.com/node/21542174

I will be discussing with you about this interesting article. Interesting to see the Austrian School in the picture ah??

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Autolykos replied on Thu, Dec 29 2011 6:08 PM

Is that supposed to be Bob Murphy?

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John James replied on Fri, Dec 30 2011 12:06 AM

You tell me...

 

 

Not to mention...

1) Can you honestly tell who the other three guys are and not guess the 4th?

2) Who the hell else would it be?

 

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Autolykos replied on Fri, Dec 30 2011 4:45 AM

Calm down, John. I just wanted to make sure.

It's interesting that Murphy's name isn't mentioned in the article itself.

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This me while writing on the forum...

 

If I was any more calm, I'd be dead.

 

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Autolykos replied on Fri, Dec 30 2011 4:59 AM

Sorry, that's a funny picture and all, but I don't think a person who feels the need to embellish an interrogative pronoun with a phrase like "the hell" is exactly calm at that moment.

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Apology accepted. 

 

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Autolykos replied on Fri, Dec 30 2011 5:29 AM

What do you think I was apologizing for?

If you're going to play that game, then I'll say that I accept your concession. smiley

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It sounded like you were apologizing for everything that followed after the words "I'm sorry" (comma).  Usually that's what those words mean.

What did I concede?

 

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Autolykos replied on Fri, Dec 30 2011 5:38 AM

John James:
It sounded like you were apologizing for everything that followed after the words "I'm sorry" (comma).  Usually that's what those words mean.

Hardly. I used the phrase "sorry, but". That second part is important. Somehow I think you know this already.

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What did I concede?

That you weren't exactly calm when you posted earlier.

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Autolykos:
I used the phrase "sorry, but". That second part is important.

Right, it means "forgive me for what I'm about to say"...as in, "I apologize in advance for the following statement but I'm going to make it anyway."

 

Autolykos:
John James:
What did I concede?
That you weren't exactly calm when you posted earlier.

I did?  Where did I do that?

 

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Autolykos replied on Fri, Dec 30 2011 5:51 AM

John James:
Right, it means "forgive me for what I'm about to say"...as in, "I apologize in advance for the following statement but I'm going to make it anyway."

Ah, yes. In this case, I meant, "Forgive me for disagreeing with you, but I still disagree with you."

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I did?  Where did I do that?

Well, you didn't respond to my point - that a person who feels the need to embellish an interrogative pronoun with "the hell" isn't exactly calm at that moment. I took your non-response to be an implicit concession.

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Autolykos replied on Fri, Dec 30 2011 5:56 AM

I see that I wasn't the only one who asked whether Bob Murphy was in that cartoon.

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Autolykos:
Ah, yes. In this case, I meant, "Forgive me for disagreeing with you, but I still disagree with you."

Right.  Basically like I said.  And I accept your plea for forgivness.

 

Well, you didn't respond to my point - that a person who feels the need to embellish an interrogative pronoun with "the hell" isn't exactly calm at that moment. I took your non-response to be an implicit concession.

Oh I see.  You made an assumption not based on any positive evidence, but simply on a lack of dialogue.  This was not wise.  You were wrong.

 

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Autolykos replied on Fri, Dec 30 2011 6:03 AM

Whether you think it was "wise" or not, or whether you think I'm wrong or not, is irrelevant to me. I'm going to continue to make the assumption until you respond to it. You cannot shame or intimidate (a la the losing horn from The Price Is Right) me into doing otherwise.

In fact, I daresay that your actions here further imply that you're not exactly calm in this exchange.

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Autolykos:
Whether you think it was "wise" or not, or whether you think I'm wrong or not, is irrelevant to me.

It's cute that you would include the words "you think", to make it sound as though it were a matter of opinion if you were wrong or not.  But I'm telling you, I conceded nothing, so your assumption that I did is wrong.  I don't know how it can be much clearer than that.

 

I'm going to continue to make the assumption until you respond to it. You cannot shame or intimidate (a la the losing horn from The Price Is Right) me into doing otherwise.

While it certainly wasn't the intention, it's nice to hear that a Price is Right losing horn doesn't intimidate you.  I'd be afraid for you if it did.

 

In fact, I daresay that your actions here further imply that you're not exactly calm in this exchange.

Make all the assumptions you want.  I'm having a good time. 

 

 

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Autolykos replied on Fri, Dec 30 2011 6:21 AM

... Nope, still not shamed or intimidated into shutting up. Nothing has changed on my part. I also don't care how entertaining you claim this is for you. So now what?

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wolfman replied on Fri, Dec 30 2011 6:30 AM

I kind of like that AE ideas are gaining acceptance. However, the article does not develop enough on AE. But it is a good step and eventually could have a serious impact. Ron Paul is improving his chances of winning and talking good stuff.

 

Hope you enjoyed it.

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Autolykos:
... Nope, still not shamed or intimidated into shutting up.

Uh..again, that wasn't the intention, but again it's nice to hear that a simple tuba/trombone ensemble and a smiley face doesn't intimidate you.

 

Nothing has changed on my part.

So you're still wrong then?  That's too bad.

 

I also don't care how entertaining you claim this is for you.

That's too bad too.  It would be awesome if you could enjoy it as much as I am.

 

So now what?

 

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wolfman:
Hope you enjoyed it.

I am, wolfman, thanks for the thread 

 

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Autolykos replied on Fri, Dec 30 2011 6:51 AM

John James:
Uh..again, that wasn't the intention, but again it's nice to hear that a simple tuba/trombone ensemble and a smiley face doesn't intimidate you.

Uh, I don't believe you when you say that wasn't the intention.

John James:
So you're still wrong then?  That's too bad.

So tell me, if your point with linking to such YouTube videos isn't to try to shut me up, what could it be?

John James:
That's too bad too.  It would be awesome if you could enjoy it as much as I am.

... Nope, I still don't care, and this isn't intimidating me either. In other words, laugh at me as hard as you want - that also won't shut me up or otherwise get me to back down.

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Autolykos:
Uh, I don't believe you when you say that wasn't the attention.

I think we know the coming response

 

So tell me, if your point with linking to such YouTube videos isn't to try to shut me up, what could it be?

To help colorize the dialogue.

 

... Nope, I still don't care

See link above

 

this isn't intimidating me either.

Again, that's nice to hear.

 

In other words, laugh at me as hard as you want - that also won't shut me up or otherwise get me to back down.

Okie dokie!

 

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Autolykos replied on Fri, Dec 30 2011 7:11 AM

John James:
I think we know the coming response

I have no idea what that's supposed to mean, so why don't you spell it out for me. And no, I still don't believe you.

John James:
To help colorize the dialogue.

To what end(s)? Hmm?

John James:
Again, that's nice to hear.

[...]

Okie dokie!

Obviously I'm still not shutting up. Do you get it yet? Keep trying to "up the ante" - see how much good it'll do you.

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Yeah John. Stop trying to intimidate everyone. 

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Autolykos replied on Fri, Dec 30 2011 7:19 AM

Mockery won't intimidate me either, Consumariat.

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"Mockery won't intimidate me either, Consumariat."

It seems that on most threads you are busy not being intimidated. So good on you fella. yes

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Autolykos replied on Fri, Dec 30 2011 7:25 AM

And your point is?

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That no-one has ever tried to intimidate you on here, and that it's disingenuous of you to be constantly playing the "stop intimidating me" card. Unless you're a 10 year old you might want to rethink that debate tactic.

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Autolykos replied on Fri, Dec 30 2011 7:35 AM

Whether it's true or not, why couldn't you have said that to begin with?

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"Whether it's true or not, why couldn't you have said that to begin with?"

 

I suppose I could have. I've said it now though.

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Autolykos replied on Fri, Dec 30 2011 7:41 AM

That doesn't answer my question. Let's try this again: whether it's true or not, why didn't you say that to begin with?

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Because I took it for granted that you would be able to read between the lines.

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Autolykos replied on Fri, Dec 30 2011 7:47 AM

... And why did you do that? You expected me to be a mind-reader? Really?

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Autolykos:
I have no idea what that's supposed to mean, so why don't you spell it out for me.

Sure, it means the response to the quoted comment has already been given a number of times, so it would be one that could be easily guessed ahead of time...the response of course being what is said in the link.

 

And no, I still don't believe you.

Once again, that's too bad.

 

To what end(s)? Hmm?

Color?

 

Obviously I'm still not shutting up.

Obviously you're not saying much either. 

 

Do you get it yet?

Get what?

 

Keep trying to "up the ante" - see how much good it'll do you.

uh

 

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Autolykos replied on Fri, Dec 30 2011 7:57 AM

John James:
Once again, that's too bad.

Once again, saying it's too bad won't do anything to make me change my mind.

John James:
Color?

Coloring the response for the purpose of color. How circular. So really, what was the point of coloring the response? The only point I can see was to try to make me feel stupid and go away. Obviously that hasn't worked.

John James:
Obviously you're not saying much either. 

I consider that to be irrelevant. I also consider whether or not you consider it to be relevant to also be irrelevant. Just so we're clear.

John James:

uh

You heard me.

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"... And why did you do that? You expected me to be a mind-reader? Really?"

I did it because in my experience people are usually able to infer the meaning of a statement from analysing the situation in which that statement is used.  The meaning of a sentence is derived from its context within a particular pattern of dialogue, and not just from the expicit definitions of the individual words themselves.

So no, I do not expect you to be a mind-reader; I wrongly assumed that the context  of my response woud provide enough information for you to be able to understand its intended meaning.

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Autolykos replied on Fri, Dec 30 2011 8:28 AM

Consumariat:
I did it because in my experience people are usually able to infer the meaning of a statement from analysing the situation in which that statement is used.  The meaning of a sentence is derived from its context within a particular pattern of dialogue, and not just from the expicit definitions of the individual words themselves.

So no, I do not expect you to be a mind-reader; I wrongly assumed that the context  of my response woud provide enough information for you to be able to understand its intended meaning.

Okay, fair enough. Thank you for the explanation.

Now I'll respond to your earlier post:

Consumariat:
That no-one has ever tried to intimidate you on here, and that it's disingenuous of you to be constantly playing the "stop intimidating me" card. Unless you're a 10 year old you might want to rethink that debate tactic.

For one thing, I don't think I'm constantly "playing the 'stop intimidating me' card". I only do that when it seems to me like someone is trying to shame or intimidate me into shutting up and going away. If that happens often, so be it.

Second, I don't consider that to be a debating tactic at all. As far as I'm concerned, if someone launches into an attempt at intimidation, whatever actual debate may have been going on up to that point is now over. In the present instance (this thread), there was no debate to begin with IMHO.

Third, by "intimidate" I don't mean only things like threats of physical violence and other "internet tough-guy" behavior. I simply mean anything that appears to be intended to make someone feel like he should regret his previous behavior and stop posting in the thread (at least regarding the sub-topic at hand). Mockery is included here.

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Autolykos:
Once again, saying it's too bad won't do anything to make me change my mind.

That's too bad.

 

Coloring the response for the purpose of color.  How circular.

Well, people usually color things because they want them colored. *shrug*

 

So really, what was the point of coloring the response?

More color is more fun

 

The only point I can see was to try to make me feel stupid and go away.

That's probably because (apparently) you see that a lot of places.

 

Obviously that hasn't worked.

It's working quite well for the purposes I've done it.

 

I consider that to be irrelevant. I also consider whether or not you consider it to be relevant to also be irrelevant. Just so we're clear.

K.

 

You heard me.

That doesn't mean what I heard made any sense.

 

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Autolykos replied on Fri, Dec 30 2011 9:39 AM

John James:
That's too bad.

I still haven't changed my mind.

John James:
Well, people usually color things because they want them colored. *shrug*

Circularity strikes again!

John James:
More color is more fun

How so?

John James:
That's probably because (apparently) you see that a lot of places.

Are you now admitting that that was your intention?

John James:
It's working quite well for the purposes I've done it.

I fail to see how. At the beginning of this exchange - as I see it - you attempted to berate me and make me feel dumb for even questioning whether that was Bob Murphy in the linked cartoon. I didn't feel dumb then, and I don't feel dumb now. Whether you think I'm dumb doesn't matter to me. Claiming that you're now just doing this for laughs and entertainment is disingenuous IMHO. It's just another tactic for you to try to "win" here - where "winning" involves feeling like you've made me feel a certain way. Even if you are honestly doing this for laughs and entertainment at this point, you've shifted the goalposts for yourself.

John James:
K.

That's right.

John James:
That doesn't mean what I heard made any sense.

Somehow I think it did. Regardless, you still heard me. I don't think I need to repeat myself.

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