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You gotta love the way she tries to paint playing by their rules as subverting the system in some way.

 

Doug Wead on The Rachel Maddow Show MSNBC 2/10/12

 

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You just can't help but smile at this...

 

You have to love the way they can't get away from all the signs, so their only option is to go split screen and show useless B roll for no reason.

Another great piece is when the husband of "the perfect face for radio" admits Ron Paul supporters "know all this stuff about the financial system and the regulatory environment and the Federal Reserve"...and even admits he didn't know any of it when he was in college himself (although he conveniently forgets to mention he still doesn't).

 

Ron Paul fans overwhelm CNN pundits at the Jacksonville, FL debate

 

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Doug Wead on The Rachel Maddow Show MSNBC 2/10/12

[ view:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9x28_I9oIVg:640:385]

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John James replied on Sun, Feb 12 2012 12:39 PM

This is why education from an early age is so important.  This is why eliminating the education monopoly has to be near or at the top of the list.  Listen to how easily this guy contradicts himself and has absolutely no problem with it.

 

Jan Helfeld interviews Crawford PART 1 Current TV commentator

 

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Gero replied on Sun, Feb 12 2012 4:49 PM

Watch this:

M83 'Midnight City' Official video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX3k_QDnzHE

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Comment on Whitney Houston: Here's a question for proponents of the drug war: Does prohibition - which demonstrably fails to keep illegal drugs out of the hands of people who want them - simply make it that much harder for people like Houston to admit and seek problems for their problems? Everyone knows that it's no easy thing for addicts or problem users of anything to admit they need help. Does criminalizing the behavior on top of everything else make it that much harder to for such people to seek the help they need?

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MaikU replied on Mon, Feb 13 2012 8:20 AM

 

 

"Dude... Roderick Long is the most anarchisty anarchist that has ever anarchisted!" - Evilsceptic

(english is not my native language, sorry for grammar.)

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Clayton replied on Mon, Feb 13 2012 9:50 AM

+1 Maiku! Nice find!

The only step he missed was to include the viewer in a "vote" along with his buddies on whether or not he should have the right to rob you. :-P Once the vote has been tallied, lo and behold, the viewer is in the minority. And by participating in the vote, the viewer himself has already consented to being robbed!

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MaikU replied on Mon, Feb 13 2012 12:59 PM

Well, I didn't find him, actually I am a long time follower of his channel (since I became aware that I am anarchist) but I decided to post one of the greatest so to speak, but personally, he is the most influential and best outspoken anarchist outhere. You should watch some other videos of his, but there are not very much of them. Still, I love reading his responses to the statists bashing him on his videos. :D

"Dude... Roderick Long is the most anarchisty anarchist that has ever anarchisted!" - Evilsceptic

(english is not my native language, sorry for grammar.)

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Neodoxy replied on Mon, Feb 13 2012 4:55 PM

This guy blew me out of the water, It'd probably be on here anyway soon, but he really just summed up a lot of what I believe in relation to the issues that they talked about really simply. I'll have to check out the book 

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Jargon replied on Mon, Feb 13 2012 5:28 PM

Beat me to it.

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z1235 replied on Mon, Feb 13 2012 9:19 PM

Neodoxy:

This guy blew me out of the water, It'd probably be on here anyway soon, but he really just summed up a lot of what I believe in relation to the issues that they talked about really simply. I'll have to check out the book 

The book

I wasn't impressed by the essay that he pointed out as being the best (Johnson: "Markets Freed From Capitalism" pg. 59-82). Johnson kept saying how his argument is not merely about definitions (of capitalism), but I couldn't see anything beyond definitions. Also, no idea what he meant by "markets as free exchange, or markets as a cash nexus". 

 

 

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John James replied on Mon, Feb 13 2012 10:00 PM

President of the United States: I do what my wife (who, as an adult was never proud of her country until I started winning in the polls (which she reiterated a second time, just in case you thought it was a mistake) and my [clinically insane] runningmate tell me to do.

 

 

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Neodoxy:

This guy blew me out of the water, It'd probably be on here anyway soon, but he really just summed up a lot of what I believe in relation to the issues that they talked about really simply. I'll have to check out the book 

The book

I wasn't impressed by the essay that he pointed out as being the best (Johnson: "Markets Freed From Capitalism" pg. 59-82). Johnson kept saying how his argument is not merely about definitions (of capitalism), but I couldn't see anything beyond definitions. Also, no idea what he meant by "markets as free exchange, or markets as a cash nexus". 

So what does the book promote? How can free markets be non-capitalist?

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Neodoxy replied on Mon, Feb 13 2012 10:51 PM

 

"The book

I wasn't impressed by the essay that he pointed out as being the best (Johnson: "Markets Freed From Capitalism" pg. 59-82). Johnson kept saying how his argument is not merely about definitions (of capitalism), but I couldn't see anything beyond definitions. Also, no idea what he meant by "markets as free exchange, or markets as a cash nexus"."

Thanks for the link.

From a quick skim through of some essays it seems much more like an introduction to voluntaryist thought with some more communitarian style twists, rather than something that goes very in detail. Still, it looks like some of the essays could certainly be utilized to convince others and it would be great to someone new to libertarianism.

@Freedom4Me

As he says in the beginning of the video he simply is equating capitalism in this instance to the current system, he uses a different definition than Mises, Rothbard, and most of the people here, and instead is using much more of a "left-anarchist" connotation, and indeed the way that the term is usually used in context.

The book promotes free market, free enterprise, and free exchange, as well as a number of more "communitarian", that is voluntarily communistic and collectivistic, solutions to current issues. E.G he's like most of the people here, just with more of the collectivist and traditional anarchist tint to what he advocates (kinda like meee :D)

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John James replied on Mon, Feb 13 2012 11:37 PM

Robert Wenzel says:

They Are Attacking My Buddy Krug

 

Businessweek reports on the war between Krugman and other phony economists. Writes Businessweek:

The escalating battle of ideas between the Nobel Prize-winning economist and his illustrious peers

What has been getting the Nobel Prize-winning economist and New York Times columnist so riled up lately? In the last few weeks, what began as a semi-civil battle of ideas between “saltwater” Keynesians of Krugman’s persuasion and “freshwater” economists of the Chicago school has escalated into a two-way barrage of insults and name-calling.

In my book, saltwater economists and freshwater economists are both all wet. They don't understand how the economy works, have no clue as to when the economy will turn direction and have no clue about the dangerous price inflation that is developing. Koch brothers-financed Tyler Cowen should know better (and probably does), the others were probably born clueless.

But when it comes to these characters attacking my buddy Krug (who has made almost every forecasting error possible), I'll take Krug over these phonies any day. Krug is wrong, but at least he is entertaining. These other guys are wrong and boring.

Click on the chart for details on the infighting started by Krugman

 
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John James replied on Mon, Feb 13 2012 11:55 PM

A no-nonsense take on Whitney Houston's death...

 

 

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Bert replied on Tue, Feb 14 2012 12:04 AM

Haha, that chart is awesome.  This is when you realize being into economics makes you a nerd, when you laugh at something like Krugman saying "I've never gone ad hominem."  Only the few understand...

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Bert replied on Tue, Feb 14 2012 11:38 AM

From the Bastiat Institute FB page.  What I think I do actually is what I really do, and what I really do really is what I really do.

 

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Wheylous replied on Tue, Feb 14 2012 3:40 PM

I found this and it sort of stung:

 

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This one always gets me:

 

 

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MaikU replied on Tue, Feb 14 2012 4:35 PM

Bert, you're man of the day :D borrowing that shit and postan on ma wall.

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Bert replied on Tue, Feb 14 2012 4:40 PM

Soon after I posted that pic the LvMI FB page posted it...maybe someone from this forum...

 

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MaikU replied on Tue, Feb 14 2012 4:52 PM

"Dude... Roderick Long is the most anarchisty anarchist that has ever anarchisted!" - Evilsceptic

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Didn't want to start a new thread...

So the Greeks are rioting because their government benefits are being cut.

It begs the question what they are trying to achieve. Do they think they can keep consuming twice as much stuff as they produce if only they convince their government to keep handing out free money?

Where exactly are those goodies going to come from, in a country where 11 million citizens live off 3.5 million taxpayers? Have they ever wondered whether it may be physical reality they are up against, and not sheer unwillingness by the state to hand out more goodies?

Whether it is Americans and their out-of-control public deficit or Greeks rioting for benefits that plain aren't there, at some point they all have to face the fact that money is just an allocation mechanism. Their problem isn't monetary, so the solution isn't monetary. The reason they are in debt is that they are consuming more stuff than they are producing. The only way to not be in debt is not to consume more stuff than they produce.

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This was probably rhetorical, since you didn't want to create a thread, but...

EmperorNero:

So the Greeks are rioting because their government benefits are being cut.

It begs the question what they are trying to achieve. Do they think they can keep consuming twice as much stuff as they produce if only they convince their government to keep handing out free money?

Basically.

 

Where exactly are those goodies going to come from, in a country where 11 million citizens live off 3.5 million taxpayers? Have they ever wondered whether it may be physical reality they are up against, and not sheer unwillingness by the state to hand out more goodies?

Nope.

 

Whether it is Americans and their out-of-control public deficit or Greeks rioting for benefits that plain aren't there, at some point they all have to face the fact that money is just an allocation mechanism. Their problem isn't monetary, so the solution isn't monetary. The reason they are in debt is that they are consuming more stuff than they are producing. The only way to not be in debt is not to consume more stuff than they produce.

Yep.  The problem is as basic and simple as that concept is, people don't understand it.  A friend told me she was speaking to a co-worker who literally asked what all the debt talk was about..."the government can just print money" she said.

People use the dollars every day, they understand they have value, and that's about where the understanding stops.

 

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Neodoxy replied on Tue, Feb 14 2012 7:36 PM

"Where exactly are those goodies going to come from, in a country where 11 million citizens live off 3.5 million taxpayers? Have they ever wondered whether it may be physical reality they are up against, and not sheer unwillingness by the state to hand out more goodies?"

But what about democracy???

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Malachi replied on Tue, Feb 14 2012 7:47 PM
Obviously, if the poor dont have enough, its because the rich have too much. Obviously.
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John James replied on Tue, Feb 14 2012 11:52 PM

Schiff's a lot less combative here; I can only figure it's because of the format and the environment.  I doubt I would be able to remain this jovial surrounded by such idiocy.  And that bald douchebag really gets on my nerves every time I see him.

What I love is clueless ignoramus on Schiff's left.  The best part is at 3:47 when he just gets through literally saying the finacial system is being "suffocated by liquidity".  They even put the quote up on the bottom of the screen.  So Schiff asks him what the Fed should do...and after a little jumping around and some silent word searching, he finally manages to blurt out: "I think that the Fed should continue to, you know, provide, you know, more amounts of liquidity..."

No joke.  They even put up the quote.  The ticker at the bottom of the screen literally changes from "Atwater: American financial system being suffocated by liquidity" to "Atwater: Fed should continue to provide liquidity."

This is the caliber of people on the news.  Not only that, this guy runs an actual business.  He (apparently) know something (what that is, I have no idea, but at least he evidently can keep a business afloat), and this is how clueless he is.  Now realize the vast majority of the time people are getting their news from financial reporters.  Like the bald guy.

 

 

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It's even worse than he describes, because paying attention in Econ 101 would not have helped. 

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gotlucky replied on Wed, Feb 15 2012 3:08 PM

Has cracked.com started being funny again?

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So you may remember Praxgirl.  They could use some funding.  (And evidently a date)...

 

 

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Malachi replied on Wed, Feb 15 2012 11:09 PM
Schiff: but thats just inflation! Why should they do that?

bald guy: because no one else is doing anything!

Hahahahahahaa

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A nice little piece on the false vindication of Keynesians:

Keynesians Jump the Gun on Inflation

 

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Eric080 replied on Thu, Feb 16 2012 10:43 PM

"And it may be said with strict accuracy, that the taste a man may show for absolute government bears an exact ratio to the contempt he may profess for his countrymen." - de Tocqueville
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