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Show me a society without government!

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Wheylous Posted: Sun, Apr 8 2012 8:09 PM

Posted in Low-content thread, but I thought it deserved better:

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Almost all primitive societies had no governments. Most gov.s only originated when agriculture and civilization began taking off.

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The thread... it was... mine. And then - he took over it. Anti-civ. Destroy the engines. Replace shovels with spoons... Oh, the terror. JJ, now I know your paiiiiin!!!!!

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he took over it.

??????

Replace shovels with spoons

Who says that??

 

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Bert replied on Sun, Apr 8 2012 11:21 PM

Almost all primitive societies had no governments

How primitive?  Like 6,000 BC?

I had always been impressed by the fact that there are a surprising number of individuals who never use their minds if they can avoid it, and an equal number who do use their minds, but in an amazingly stupid way. - Carl Jung, Man and His Symbols
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Like 60,000 BC. Read about hunter-gatherers.

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gotlucky replied on Mon, Apr 9 2012 12:03 AM

Freedom4Me73986:
Replace shovels with spoons Who says that??

Wheylous made a mistake.  He meant to say hands.

 

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gotlucky replied on Mon, Apr 9 2012 12:10 AM

@Wheylous

I liked Walter Block's point about Disney World's murder rate against not only entire cities, but even against public parks in those cities.  Disney World loses money if it isn't safe, but the Mayor of Chicago won't lose money if the streets aren't safe.

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Like 60,000 BC. Read about hunter-gatherers.

Chief Greyskull constitutes a government too, pal.

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Wheylous:
The thread... it was... mine. And then - he took over it. Anti-civ. Destroy the engines. Replace shovels with spoons... Oh, the terror. JJ, now I know your paiiiiin!!!!!

 

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Bert replied on Mon, Apr 9 2012 9:05 AM

Like 60,000 BC. Read about hunter-gatherers.

Now it makes sense, you literally want to go back to the Stone Age.  If you want to stay true to your belief in hunting and gathering you cannot do it alone, as stated here,

Nonetheless Neanderthal usage of projectile weapons in hunting occurred very rarely (or perhaps never) and the Neanderthals hunted large game animals mostly by ambushing them and attacking them with mêlée weapons such as thrusting spears rather than attacking them from a distance with projectile weapons.

You won't be able to do this alone, you will need a collective to successfully ambush large game and then tiringly beat the animal to death with a blunt object or stab it with spears.  You cannot have anything more advanced than a pointy stick.

I had always been impressed by the fact that there are a surprising number of individuals who never use their minds if they can avoid it, and an equal number who do use their minds, but in an amazingly stupid way. - Carl Jung, Man and His Symbols
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CIVILISATION IS COLLECTIVISM!!! Tribal communism on the other hand...

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Wheylous replied on Mon, Apr 9 2012 11:39 AM

+1 yes

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gotlucky:
Freedom4Me73986:
Replace shovels with spoons

Who says that??

Wheylous made a mistake.  He meant to say hands.

No- feet. Feet.

 

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Wheylous replied on Mon, Apr 9 2012 12:52 PM

Feet.

Moustache only.

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Wheylous:
Moustache only.

XD Oh God! I'm trying to (can't) imagine how unbearable that would be!

 

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I'm trying to (can't) imagine how unbearable that would be!

Apparently that's what archeologists do.

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THey have to be very careful when digging, so they use brushes to scrape away at the surface. Essentially the same as using a mustache.

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Oh, I get that. I meant using, essentially, one's upper lip to dig!

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Or eyelashes. Take your pick.

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Oh no! Well, at least there'll be no unemployment.

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You won't be able to do this alone, you will need a collective to successfully ambush large game and then tiringly beat the animal to death with a blunt object or stab it with spears.  You cannot have anything more advanced than a pointy stick.

Who says I'll be eating meat? I'm vegan as it is and I'm not going to backslide in the wild.

Human beings were made to eat primarily raw wild plants. If I'm in a place where there's an abundance of food I should be OK.

You need to start doing more research about human origins. Do any of your an-soc friends know this shit?

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Freedom4Me73986:
You need to start doing more research about human origins. Do any of your an-soc friends know this shit?

You need to get off the computer and start living in the woods.  For someone who is anti-anything-civilization you sure do spend a lot of time on the Internet.  Do your anti-tech anti-social friends know about this?

 

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F4M, I understand you want to stay on the internet if only to trash talk it, but I would appreciate it of you could get off of this thread, as I did not intend it to be about civilization, but about an argument on government.

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Bert replied on Mon, Apr 9 2012 5:47 PM

Who says I'll be eating meat? I'm vegan as it is and I'm not going to backslide in the wild.

When Henry David Thoreau did his Walden experiment he had a primarily vegan diet, but the difference is that he farmed the land, which for you is agriculture which according to you leads to civilization, so relying on wild vegetables, fruits, and nuts will be more of a task since you won't be growing anything.

Human beings were made to eat primarily raw wild plants. If I'm in a place where there's an abundance of food I should be OK.

You need to start doing more research about human origins. Do any of your an-soc friends know this shit?

For a while I was running my own vegan blog, so I know about that.  My "an-soc" friends?  If you are talking about veganism, a good amount of my friends are.

I had always been impressed by the fact that there are a surprising number of individuals who never use their minds if they can avoid it, and an equal number who do use their minds, but in an amazingly stupid way. - Carl Jung, Man and His Symbols
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sprale1 replied on Mon, Apr 9 2012 7:22 PM

Is gelato vegan?

 

 

That's milk and eggs, bitch. cheeky

I was raised pretty strict vegan, but to paraphrase Patrick Henry, give me cheese or give me death.

I still do not eat meat, but included dairy in my diet after I hit double-digit age. I'm making up for that lack as well. I live in Texas and never have eaten meat, but am drawn to hunger pains by proper BBQ. That tells me that despite never eating meat, it is natural to do so.

Choosing not to partake of the flesh of another is an individual choice, but I am not limiting my children to a meatless diet. I will let them make that decision as they grow and learn to think critically. I found that the lack of ability to digest meat meant that it was not worth it for me to try to add it to my diet after a certain point. I have no moral objections (aside from objecting to the industrial animal farms that support fast food and low quality foods.

My moral objection is rather akin to what I learned from growing up with hippies and native Americans; respect the animals that give their lives so you can eat and live. I try to instill that in my children as well, so that they understand that animals must die for them to eat hamburgers and hot dogs. If they grow up and choose not to eat meat, I hope that it is for the right reasons, rather than because someone else told them it was the right choice.

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I'm glad our newbie users are joining for the right reasons.

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haha. love the Scott pilgrim quote. "You once were a vegan, now you will be gone..."

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You guys are inpet at ignoring F4M. It's amazing.

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NonAntiAnarchist:
You guys are inpet at ignoring F4M. It's amazing.

least we're not inept at spelling. wink

 

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John James:

NonAntiAnarchist:
You guys are inpet at ignoring F4M. It's amazing.

least we're not inept at spelling. wink

*inpet. Inpet at spelling laugh

 

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