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Is Civilization Evil?

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Well, here's what I've seen so far.

 

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excel replied on Sun, Jun 3 2012 2:55 PM

So does that, and I use the term loosely, comic-strip, make the case that civilization is evil or that it is not evil?

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Why do you think civ isn't evil?

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excel replied on Mon, Jun 4 2012 2:54 AM

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Why do you think civ isn't evil?

Because I've seen no evidence that it is. 

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We all know civilization in its current form is evil. Thing is, everyone knows what needs to be done.


We need to stop global population growth.

We need one world government.

We need mass migration from malnourished regions to Europe and America.

We need those "take one" condom boxes in high schools to have imperative sentences.

We need welfare to be conditional on neutering.

We need mandatory abortions for teen pregnancies.

We need to institute a one child policy and abort 50% of all female fetuses.

We need to ban all religion and mandate the teaching of evolution in schools.

We need to nationalize the oil industry and use the proceeds to fund said abortions and bibleburnings.

Most importantly, we need to eliminate the electoral college.




Thing is, it's never brought up.

Thing is, people watch Alex Jones.

Thing is, the world is full of libertarians.

Thing is, people are still buying gold.

Thing is, liberalism is associated with Mao.

Thing is, people reject consequentialism.

Thing is, people cling to rights-based morality.

Thing is, the Illuminati is an excuse.

Thing is, people are lazy.

And that's why they don't want to acknowledge it.

 

 

 

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We all know civilization in its current form is evil. Thing is, everyone knows what needs to be done.


We need to stop global population growth.

We need one world government.

We need mass migration from malnourished regions to Europe and America.

We need those "take one" condom boxes in high schools to have imperative sentences.

We need welfare to be conditional on neutering.

We need mandatory abortions for teen pregnancies.

We need to institute a one child policy and abort 50% of all female fetuses.

We need to ban all religion and mandate the teaching of evolution in schools.

We need to nationalize the oil industry and use the proceeds to fund said abortions and bibleburnings.

Most importantly, we need to eliminate the electoral college.




Thing is, it's never brought up.

Thing is, people watch Alex Jones.

Thing is, the world is full of libertarians.

Thing is, people are still buying gold.

Thing is, liberalism is associated with Mao.

Thing is, people reject consequentialism.

Thing is, people cling to rights-based morality.

Thing is, the Illuminati is an excuse.

Thing is, people are lazy.

And that's why they don't want to acknowledge it.

 

lol you must be a troll.

No we must leave civilization and then watch it crash on its own. Escape the NWO by being self-sufficient.

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Anenome replied on Mon, Jun 4 2012 3:13 AM
 
 

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We all know civilization in its current form is evil. Thing is, everyone knows what needs to be done.

We need to stop global population growth.

False. Population growth will level out on its own. Wealthy societies tend to have fewer children. What's needed is more wealth around the world, which means more capitalism around the world.

It sounds instead like you're advocating aggressive means of 'stopping population growth.' All evil uses aggression as its means, which means you are, right now, part of the problem of evil in the world.

mustang19:

We need one world government.

LMAO, we need control of the entire planet to rest in a single point? You would never see such power, and thereby such tyranny, in the whole of human history.

mustang19:

We need mass migration from malnourished regions to Europe and America.

You're going to force people to do this? Again, that would make you evil.

mustang19:

We need those "take one" condom boxes in high schools to have imperative sentences.

So now we're forcing birth-control on people? Again, you choose an aggressive solution--which means you are evil.

mustang19:

We need welfare to be conditional on neutering.

Rather than repudiate welfare, you want to force a choice of sterilization or starvation. You are evil.

mustang19:

We need mandatory abortions for teen pregnancies.

Force again. Evil again.

mustang19:

We need to institute a one child policy and abort 50% of all female fetuses.

Force again, evil again.

mustang19:

We need to ban all religion and mandate the teaching of evolution in schools.

Force again.

mustang19:
We need to nationalize the oil industry and use the proceeds to fund said abortions and bibleburnings.

Force again. Intolerance again.

mustang19:
Most importantly, we need to eliminate the electoral college.

Because...? That would honestly change nothing.

mustang19:

Thing is, it's never brought up.
Thing is, people watch Alex Jones.

If this is what he's advocating, then he is evil.

mustang19:

Thing is, the world is full of libertarians.

And?

mustang19:

Thing is, people are still buying gold.

Fairly sensible to buy a commodity as hedge against these stupid fiat currencies we have lying around.

mustang19:

Thing is, liberalism is associated with Mao.

So? Liberalism is the avante garde of fascism\communism today. Mao was communist, but his inheritors became fascists, because the left worldwide has by and large realized their communist-economics is a complete failure and have bowed to reality. However, they refuse to give up central control of society. That leaves them with a fascistic system of central control and limited private ownership subject to the whims of the state.

mustang19:

Thing is, people reject consequentialism.
Thing is, people cling to rights-based morality.
Thing is, the Illuminati is an excuse.
Thing is, people are lazy.
And that's why they don't want to acknowledge it.

If you believe anything you've written here, you are evil, and I urge you to take a look at the NAP.

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You call me evil, but you know it's the only fast way to bring down the fertility rate.

Freedom, I'm glad you're not having kids. Let me know if you need any spam or shotgun ammo and I'll hook you up.

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excel replied on Mon, Jun 4 2012 4:38 AM

mustang19:
You call me evil, but you know it's the only fast way to bring down the fertility rate

And beating my wife is the fastest way to have my wife beaten...

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He's obviously a socialist/marxist but what he says is true.

We don't need to kill everyone. We just need to be self-sufficient and let civ collapse on its own.

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dat video.

Very entertaining, thanks for posting.

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Anenome replied on Tue, Jun 5 2012 6:05 AM

mustang19:

You call me evil, but you know it's the only fast way to bring down the fertility rate.

Fertility rate does not need to be brought down. That's the flaw in your thinking. In any case, good intentions and good ends can never rehabilitate evil means.

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It would do a lot to reduce inequality and bring the US education system to developed country standards if family sizes were manageable and contraception was readily available.

You're a libertarian, right? Well, for every dollar Medicaid spends giving people contraceptives, many more dollars are saved from not providing welfare and healthcare to the extra welfare recipient who would have been born.

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It would do a lot to reduce inequality 

Why is that a good thing? Inequality is liberty, equality is tyranny. Ever read Rothbard?

And we don't need to reduce the global population. Civ is collapsing as we speak. We should be focused on survival if we want to survive the collapse and escape gov./corporate tyranny and poisoning.

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lol you must be a troll.

 

Holy Crap!  I actually think I may be in agreement on F4me on something

"As in a kaleidoscope, the constellation of forces operating in the system as a whole is ever changing." - Ludwig Lachmann

"When A Man Dies A World Goes Out of Existence"  - GLS Shackle

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mustang19 replied on Wed, Jun 6 2012 12:19 AM

Why is that a good thing? Inequality is liberty, equality is tyranny. Ever read Rothbard?

I had to quote that.

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It's true. Equality is force.

More reason I see civ as evil. Large cities breed a demand for equality which leads to statism.

Civ = collectivism = statism

Rewilding = freedom

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Anenome replied on Wed, Jun 6 2012 3:33 AM

mustang19:

It would do a lot to reduce inequality and bring the US education system to developed country standards if family sizes were manageable and contraception was readily available.

You're a libertarian, right? Well, for every dollar Medicaid spends giving people contraceptives, many more dollars are saved from not providing welfare and healthcare to the extra welfare recipient who would have been born.

It is welfare and medicaid that need to be ended, not the lives of people taking advantage of them.

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excel replied on Wed, Jun 6 2012 7:09 AM

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It's true. Equality is force.

More reason I see civ as evil. Large cities breed a demand for equality which leads to statism.

Civ = collectivism = statism

Rewilding = freedom

A man gathers 5 berries. Another man also gathers 5 berries. They've gathered the same amount of berries. They are in a state of equality. Who is using force against whom?

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excel:
A man gathers 5 berries. Another man also gathers 5 berries. They've gathered the same amount of berries. They are in a state of equality. Who is using force against whom?

LOL, your only criteria for "equality" is the number of berries everyone has?

This would mean that men are naturally superior to women, considering most are born with two...

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excel replied on Wed, Jun 6 2012 9:06 AM

Jackson LaRose:

LOL, your only criteria for "equality" is the number of berries everyone has?

LOL, no! You have any suggestions for other criterias we should consider?

Jackson LaRose:

 

This would mean that men are naturally superior to women, considering most are born with two...

Why should having more berries than women, or testicles for that matter, make men superior? 

Sexism, on MY internet? Tsk tsk, sir. Tsk tsk.

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LOL, no! You have any suggestions for other criterias we should consider?

Hmm...  Number of pushups one can do in a minute?

 

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Cortes replied on Wed, Jun 6 2012 1:26 PM

excel:

So does that, and I use the term loosely, comic-strip, make the case that civilization is evil or that it is not evil?

 

 

Dude who cares? Whenever you can exploit HILARIOUS snarky internet stickmen comics, you always look smart!!!

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excel replied on Thu, Jun 7 2012 2:58 AM

Jackson LaRose:
Hmm...  Number of pushups one can do in a minute?

I can't type too long an answer. As soon as I read this I dropped down and gave myself 3. Kinda out of breath right now.

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excel:
I can't type too long an answer. As soon as I read this I dropped down and gave myself 3. Kinda out of breath right now.

Uh oh.  You're never gonna survive the dollar zombie apocalypse with upper-body strength like that!

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A man gathers 5 berries. Another man also gathers 5 berries. They've gathered the same amount of berries. They are in a state of equality. Who is using force against whom?

Way to strawman me.
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excel replied on Thu, Jun 7 2012 7:48 AM

Freedom4Me73986:

Way to strawman me.

Did you or did you not make the statement: 

Freedom4Me73986:

It's true. Equality is force.

It's not strawmanning when I respond to your exact position.

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excel replied on Thu, Jun 7 2012 7:48 AM

Jackson LaRose:
Uh oh.  You're never gonna survive the dollar zombie apocalypse with upper-body strength like that!

Don't worry, I have a plan b!

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excel:
Don't worry, I have a plan b!

Do tell.

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excel replied on Thu, Jun 7 2012 8:30 AM

Jackson LaRose:

Do tell.

Step 1 of the plan is to not tell people the plan. That way, I'll have the element of surprise!

After that it gets a bit more convoluted.

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excel:

Step 1 of the plan is to not tell people the plan. That way, I'll have the element of surprise!

After that it gets a bit more convoluted.

Fair enough.

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The answer is that it produces a little evil, and the so-called good.

"What is new, however, is always evil, being that which wants to conquer and overthrow the old boundary markers and the old pieties; and only what is old is good. The good men are in all ages those who dig the old thoughts, digging deep and getting them to bear fruit - the farmers of the spirit. But eventually all land is depleted, and the ploughshare of evil must come again and again." (Nietzsche, The Gay Science)

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I will leave for the woods as soon as I know for certain I won't be arrested and caged for doing so. Living off-the-grid is illegal in most parts of America and I'm not taking any chances.

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gotlucky replied on Thu, Jun 7 2012 12:21 PM

But this will be in July 2012, right?

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That depends. Why do you care?

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There's another thread where you said that July was when you were leaving.  Were you lying?

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I will leave. I said July to shut John James up. If I knew the state wasn't going to cage me for leaving civ I would leave tomorrow.

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gotlucky replied on Thu, Jun 7 2012 11:01 PM

So you admit to lying?  Why should we believe anything you say if you are an admitted liar?

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Anenome replied on Fri, Jun 8 2012 3:14 PM

Living off grid's not illegal bro. Go into the wilderness and never come back. Build a nice freezing cabin, eat poorly, cut yourself off from civilization. It's a real paradise :P

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Anemone:
Living off grid's not illegal bro.

Property Tax.

Anemone:
Build a nice freezing cabin

Debris Hut

Anemone:
eat poorly

Double Down.

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