bloomj31:I don't mind not clearing issues up. Where's the fun in that anyway?
How exactly is it fun to you when issues aren't cleared up? You know that makes you sound like a troll, don't you?
bloomj31:EDIT: There's also something very charming about libertarians. I find the moralism interesting. The hatred for the state is...I don't even know how to describe it. The paranoia is funny sometimes. I don't fear the same things libertarians do and I find that fascinating.
This sounds like you're amused by our reactions to what you post, and that's why you post here. I think there's another term for this.
The keyboard is mightier than the gun.
Non parit potestas ipsius auctoritatem.
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gotlucky: A person cannot threaten another without making a conscious effort to do so. Perhaps we have to define threat. From wiktionary on threat: threat (plural threats) an expression of intent to injure or punish another. an indication of imminent danger. a person or object that is regarded as a danger; a menace. I have been using the first definition for this entire thread. Perhaps you have been using threat to mean "a menace"? Regardless, my point has to do with definition one. A person cannot make "an expression of intent to injure...another" if he is not already conscious of making the threat. It is my belief that not every disagreement has an expression of intent - implicit or explicit - to injure another looming in the air. I have been in situations where there has been no expression of intent to injure but there was a disagreement.
A person cannot threaten another without making a conscious effort to do so. Perhaps we have to define threat. From wiktionary on threat:
threat (plural threats) an expression of intent to injure or punish another. an indication of imminent danger. a person or object that is regarded as a danger; a menace.
threat (plural threats)
I have been using the first definition for this entire thread. Perhaps you have been using threat to mean "a menace"?
Regardless, my point has to do with definition one. A person cannot make "an expression of intent to injure...another" if he is not already conscious of making the threat. It is my belief that not every disagreement has an expression of intent - implicit or explicit - to injure another looming in the air. I have been in situations where there has been no expression of intent to injure but there was a disagreement.
Indeed, it's clear to me that BloomJ31 has been using "threat" to refer to any non-zero probability of someone employing violence. Since that probability is never zero for any living person, the logical conclusion therefore is that everyone is always a "threat" while he's alive. Hobbesian indeed.
autolykos:How exactly is it fun to you when issues aren't cleared up? You know that makes you sound like a troll, don't you?
I don't care what I sound like to you, you're a nobody. I have fun because I know that there's no way in the world any of you are going to agree with me and I know I will never agree with any of you. I suppose I could find a forum where everyone was exactly like me but then there wouldn't be very much to talk about.
autolykos:This sounds like you're amused by our reactions to what you post, and that's why you post here.
Yeah you guys can be pretty funny sometimes. I have a sense of humor, maybe you're just such serious business you can't even see the humor in your own behavior.
autolykos:Logic is not time- or space-dependent. You've already essentially stated that you consider all laws to be worthy of respect because you presume they're backed by more power than you yourself can muster. That includes slavery laws, segregation and other discrimination laws, and laws requiring Jews to be hauled off to death camps. All of them - no exceptions.
I've also said that I can respect laws while still disagreeing with them on my own moral grounds. If I think I can contest a law then I will. I don't do that by not following the law, I do that by trying to get the law changed, by voting for people who I think will do the things I want them to do. If that fails then I'm screwed.
bloomj31:I don't care what I sound like to you, you're a nobody.
I sure hope you didn't expect that to shut me up.
Whether you think I'm a "nobody" is irrelevant to me, to be quite honest. If you don't care whether I (or anyone else) think you're a troll, well that's fine. But trolls aren't appreciated around here, so if the mods/admins think you're a troll, then you might be asked to stop or else get the proverbial boot. It's up to you, of course.
bloomj31:I have fun because I know believe that there's no way in the world any of you are going to agree with me and I know believe I will never agree with any of you.
FTFY
bloomj31:Yeah you guys can be pretty funny sometimes. I have a sense of humor, maybe you're just such serious business you can't even see the humor in your own behavior.
That presumes, of course, that humor is an objective quality that's observed in something, rather than a subjective value that's imputed to something. But it isn't.
bloomj31:I've also said that I can respect laws while still disagreeing with them on my own moral grounds.
Yet you obstinately refuse to outline just what your moral grounds are. The closest you've come to is "following God's will", but you turned around and claimed that you have no idea what "God's will" is. How else are we to interpet this except as a rationalization for you just doing whatever you want?
bloomj31:If I think I can contest a law then I will. I don't do that by not following the law, I do that by trying to get the law changed, by voting for people who I think will do the things I want them to do. If that fails then I'm screwed.
You are screwed.
Could anyone please direct me to a less productive thread? I still feel a certain willingness to live.
Do you mean a more productive thread? Take your pick.
autolykos:I sure hope you didn't expect that to shut me up.
I don't expect you to ever shut up. I can hope though.
autolykos:so if the mods/admins think you're a troll, then you might be asked to stop or else get the proverbial boot.
Thanks I had no idea.
autolykos:Yet you obstinately refuse to outline just what your moral grounds are. The closest you've come to is "following God's will", but you turned around and claimed that you have no idea what "God's will" is. How else are we to interpet this except as a rationalization for you just doing whatever you want?
Well I can do whatever I want. The only question that's ever in my mind is: "will this come back to bite me?"
It's one thing for people to get mad at me it's another thing entirely to incur God's wrath. I'm afraid of death. But I'm even more afraid of the possibility of eternal damnation.
That being said, I have no idea what it is that God wants from me exactly, if he wants anything at all. Some things just seem wrong. That's basically as complicated as it gets for me.
bloomj31:I don't expect you to ever shut up. I can hope though.
Good luck with that.
bloomj31:Thanks I had no idea.
I said it anyways.
bloomj31:Well I can do whatever I want.
Not necessarily! There's a difference between desire and ability.
bloomj31:The only question that's ever in my mind is: "will this come back to bite me?" It's one thing for people to get mad at me it's another thing entirely to incur God's wrath. I'm afraid of death. But I'm even more afraid of the possibility of eternal damnation. That being said, I have no idea what it is that God wants from me exactly, if he wants anything at all. Some things just seem wrong. That's basically as complicated as it gets for me.
So when something "just seems wrong" to you, basically you trust that that's God's way of telling you that He thinks it's wrong?
autolykos:Not necessarily! There's a difference between desire and ability.
True.
autolykos: So when something "just seems wrong" to you, basically you trust that that's God's way of telling you that He thinks it's wrong?
Well I hope that's what it is yeah.
bloomj31:Well I hope that's what it is yeah.
Right - so you don't know for sure, but you have faith that that's what it is.
Now I take it that you don't want to do things that "just seem wrong" to you?
Correct.
In that case, why bother with a belief in God etc. at all? It sounds to me like it's just a pretense for you to justify doing whatever you want.
First of all, I don't really care about what it sounds like to you.
Secondly, I can't just stop believing in God, doesn't work that way for me. I feel God's presence, I can't just ignore that.
Inb4 "hurrrr durrr how do you feel God's presence??" I just do. I don't care if that makes sense to you or not.
bloomj31:First of all, I don't really care about what it sounds like to you.
That's fine. I'll keep stating it though.
bloomj31:Secondly, I can't just stop believing in God, doesn't work that way for me. I feel God's presence, I can't just ignore that. Inb4 "hurrrr durrr how do you feel God's presence??" I just do. I don't care if that makes sense to you or not.
Looks like someone's acquainted with 4chan.
Anyways, I'm not trying to persuade/convince you to stop believing in God. But on the one hand, I suspect your belief in God is as strong as it is because of its apparent rationalizing power for you. On the other, I think that reveals your belief in God as a sham - which was my point in my last post.