Is there a viable libertarian solution to the problem of man-made global warming? "Viable solutions" don't include appeals to critics of AGW. Let's assume for the sake of argument that it is real.
They don't include cursory cost-benefit calculations either; let's make this about the protection of property affected by AGW, which, by libertarian standards, rules supreme over such considerations.
I think you'll first need to establish proof of this "man-made global warming".
Uh oh looks like you're crowdsourcing information from the blogsphere here. ;) SA's D&D is a riot dude, you basically need to write out a huge block of text to get through to anyone. For a while I've wanted to write a pretty large FAQ or something so you don't have to keep knocking down the strawmen and answering the same questions. I'm working on getting together some responses to Helsing's questions about food safety and such. The problem with that topic is that the most egregious situations were occuring before modern medical science and food chemistry were well understood or disseminated. Job number one there is to get some information on the actual rates of food adulteration versus the perception that most food was posion. I'm trying to find some information on that, I've seen some information in the past but don't have any links currently. Debating in D&D is pretty low on my priorities right now, unfortunately.
Not to derail this thread, but yes, anthropogenic climate change is a real thing, the question is how severe/negative it will be. Furthermore in the forum Spharion is debating, climate science denial is basically a non-starter and will get him laughed off the stage.
LogisticEarth:SA's D&D
Sonata Arctica's Depth & Development?
Salvation Army's Dungeons & Dragons?
Socialist Alliance's Death & Dismemberment?
SomethingAwful, Debate & Discussion subforum.
LogisticEarth:Not to derail this thread, but yes, anthropogenic climate change is a real thing
I thought we were talking about "man-made global warming".
Ha, this is nice. I didn't realize you were also present on mises.org, LogisticEarth, though I guess the probability was rather high.
To clarify, I'm currently engaged in a debate on Something Awful forums about the merits of libertarianism. I was getting into trouble on externality questions, so I performed a tactical retreat with the caveat that I would be "crowdsourcing information from the libertarian blogosphere" on the issue. This is part of my attempts at doing so.
Here's a link to the thread if anyone is interested. My posts (same nick) start on page 86.
Are you trying to pull the whole "they switched 'global warming' to 'climate change' because things weren't getting warmer" schtick? Because that's a childish arguement that belongs on brain dead talk radio, and has no basis in reality. If you want to help Spherion you should argue from the position that human activity is influencing climate systems. End the derail about whether or not it's anthropogenic, pretend it's a hypothetical if you have to.
Sphairon:s there a viable libertarian solution to the problem of man-made global warming? "Viable solutions" don't include appeals to critics of AGW. Let's assume for the sake of argument that it is real.
"Viable solutions" don't include appeals to critics of AGW. Let's assume for the sake of argument that it is real.
Yeah, I've been around SA for a while, it's good to debate on there, and at least read the threads if you only have time to lurk. If you make an effort to stick around though it's going to be like fighting the tide, because you're going to have everybody asking you about their pet issue with libertarianism. If you read through the thread you'll see the same questions coming up again and again. Food safety, environmental regulation, the 1907 panic that the one guy keeps bringing up every ten pages or so. As long as you don't blow up like 80% of the other libertarians that show up on there, you'll be ok. It's absurd because inevitably someone who's in over his head and has too much time on his hands comes in and makes an ass out of himself. I'll try and send anything I find your way, since I don't devote a large amount of time posting in D&D at the moment.
Man that forum is a viper's den. Talk about getting zerged.
Yeah, lots of people with lots of time, and the forum is usually well educated and intelligent people so you can't be lazy and skate by on half-assed arguments. The rest of the forums though are great, high quality, and pretty useful/funny. Everything from video games to cars to cocktail mixing to movies. It probably has something to do with the fact that it costs $10 to register to post, and that privilage can be revoked by a moderator, prompting you to have to re-register and pay the fee again. It keeps the posting AND moderating quality high, as the mods can't be tyrants or else people wouldn't put up with the fee, and people have to have a stake in actually posting there. Enough about SA though, back to the thread...
LogisticEarth:Are you trying to pull the whole "they switched 'global warming' to 'climate change' because things weren't getting warmer" schtick? Because that's a childish arguement that belongs on brain dead talk radio, and has no basis in reality. If you want to help Spherion you should argue from the position that human activity is influencing climate systems. End the derail about whether or not it's anthropogenic, pretend it's a hypothetical if you have to.
I'm not "trying" to do anything, be it "pull a schtick" or "derail" a "I'm in a debate somewhere on the Internet and I need help" thread. I was simply poking fun and the ridiculousness of the whole thing.
Sphairon, if you need some resources on externalities, I've created a meta-thread here and will be adding to it. (I would pay particular attention to the ones called "A libertarian solution to global warming" and "A Non-State Solution to Global Warming") Also check out the "public goods" Mises Wiki article and the links included there.
I might even make a "global warming" thread, as there might even be enough posts on that specific topic.
EmperorNero:No. By design, the global warming scam is a problem that cant be solved in the market.
Uh oh. Careful. I was already told it's a real thing. And the guy had the word "Earth" in his handle. So I'm pretty sure he outranks you.