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You need a state to manage property rights.

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kylio27 posted on Mon, Sep 3 2012 3:58 PM | Locked

What if I just claim a large area of land as mine? I could just as easily claim the moon is mine. How do you manage property rights without force and/or coercion? 

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Answered (Not Verified) Aristophanes replied on Mon, Sep 3 2012 4:01 PM | Locked
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http://library.mises.org/books/Murray%20N%20Rothbard/For%20a%20New%20Liberty%20The%20Libertarian%20Manifesto.pdf

http://library.mises.org/books/Murray%20N%20Rothbard/The%20Ethics%20of%20Liberty.pdf

 

Fucking trollz.

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kylio27 replied on Mon, Sep 3 2012 4:03 PM | Locked

Rothbard is not a god. Stop idolizing him. 

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gotlucky replied on Mon, Sep 3 2012 4:05 PM | Locked

kylio27:

How do you manage property rights without force and/or coercion? 

You don't. I don't know many libertarians that advocate complete non-violence. Violence and the threat thereof are necessary aspects of law.

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kylio27 replied on Mon, Sep 3 2012 4:12 PM | Locked

Seems like that philosophy lacks consistency, then. 

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Aristophanes replied on Mon, Sep 3 2012 4:12 PM | Locked

I don't know many libertarians that advocate complete non-violence. Violence and the threat thereof are necessary aspects of law.

This I agree with.  But, there is also defensive and aggressive violence to differentiate.  It's all over this forum (the OP is a troll) or I would go into it here.

Hey, kylio27, if you weren't so obviously a troll, people wouldn't respond in kind.

http://tnc-online.net/page/2010NO2/index.php

Polycentric law/property recognition could in theory be completely non-violent and voluntary (The author won a nobel prize recently).  It's not my responsibility to find you a copy of it that is accessible, but if you actually care, then you'll read a few of her papers.  She is not in favor of the State or the Market.

Who said Rothbard was a God?  He simply provides an explanation of the question you asked.

And judging by your immediate mark of death with the "philosophy/consistency" comment, you looking for structural weaknesses in the libertarian philosophy?  Asking on a forum, and then citing the forum later on, is a pretty strenuous way to discredit something.  These forum users are anon and all have various opinions.  Rothbard would make sense if you are writing for academics...

 

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gotlucky replied on Mon, Sep 3 2012 4:13 PM | Locked

Which philosophy?

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gotlucky replied on Mon, Sep 3 2012 4:20 PM | Locked

Aristophanes:

This I agree with.  But, there is also defensive and aggressive violence to differentiate.

Absolutely there is a difference. I didn't make a distinction because law can be based on both aggressive and defensive violence.

Nice pic, btw.

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