Autolykos is trying to discipline me (in the conversation tab) and involving other people, so I figure it is only fair to let the other people know that they are being discussed in a derogatory manner in "private."
Have a read. It's good stuff.
Autolykos: I'm willing to extend you this courtesy, at least for now. Since Physiocrat locked the thread before you had a chance to respond, I'll repeat my last response to you so you can respond to me here. Calling other users names like "moron" and "pussy" is against the rules of this forum, is it not? Are you saying you don't like or respect the rules of this forum? Or what is it that you're saying here? I'd also love to know what you would've done if you'd been in my shoes.
My response: "I'd also love to know what you would've done if you'd been in my shoes." Grown up and not tell on other people for SAYING THINGS ANONYMOUSLY? Who cares if people call you names on the internet? Taddling on people while you preach free speech is the behavior like a little kid or a NARC. It is the internet.... grow some balls, kid.
"I'd also love to know what you would've done if you'd been in my shoes."
Grown up and not tell on other people for SAYING THINGS ANONYMOUSLY? Who cares if people call you names on the internet? Taddling on people while you preach free speech is the behavior like a little kid or a NARC.
It
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internet....
grow some balls, kid.
Here's the good one. Some of you will love this.
Autolykos: First off, the posts I originally reported didn't involve calling me any names. Do try to keep up. Secondly, I love how you go right ahead and ignore the point I was making - that name-calling is against the rules of this forum. You also ignored my other questions, which only leads me to the conclusion that you have no respect for the rules of this forum. That means you apparently think it's perfectly fine and dandy for people to hurl childish insults at each other in a forum that claims to be dedicated to intellectual discussion and debate. Am I missing anything here? Third, I think it's hilarious that you apparently think I'm the one that needs to "grow up". Let me explain something to you: as far as I'm concerned, I'm very much grown up, thank you. Furthermore, I couldn't care less whether you think I need to "grow up" or not. I consider my response to have been mature. Fourth, I also think it's hilarious that you apparently think I'm a hypocrite. According to you, it's hypocritical to report people for violating the rules of a forum that they don't own while preaching free speech. What does "free speech" mean to you? I'll tell you what it doesn't mean to me. It doesn't mean people are entitled to say whatever they want no matter whose property they're on. Do you understand? Fifth, I don't give a flying fuck whether it's the internet. That makes no difference to me whatsoever. Sixth, telling me to "grow some balls" is a waste of time IMHO. I already think I have balls a-plenty, and once again, I couldn't care less whether you think otherwise. Are we clear? I sure as hell hope we are. In the meantime, and for whatever it's worth to you, I no longer have any respect for you whatsoever. I remember defending you against JJ's douchebaggery at least once, if not more than once, but now I'm thinking maybe that was a waste of time. Oh well. Now I just feel sorry for you. *Sigh of relief (post-ejac)* Me: blah blah blah Me again: Wait wait wait "Are we clear? I sure as hell hope we are." Are you threatening me, kid? "I remember defending you against JJ's douchebaggery at least once" I didn't ask you to do that. Are you calling JJ a douchbag? Aren't you on about insulting people? "According to you, it's hypocritical to report people for violating the rules of a forum that they don't own while preaching free speech." Get a badge, then, kid. They aren't your rules. If the forum owner wants to discipline people because you killed yourself (for instance) due to someone calling you an "idiot" or a "moron" or a "pussy", then so be it. "Fifth, I don't give a flying fuck whether it's the internet. That makes no difference to me whatsoever." Uh oh! You aren't aposduh swear on the fowum. MOOOOMMMYYY this kid's using pwohibited langwage!! Jesus, kid. Be consistent. Does anyone else here tell on people when they see them sneaking candy into the theater? After all there are rules posted on the walls and the theater is private property? "You're not supposed to bring outside food and drinks in." "Um, do you work here?" "...Mr. manager! Mr. manager!! This person is bringing in their own cookie dough bites, you can't do that!" Thoughts on being a narc? How "freedom loving" is it to run to the authorities when you are offended? "The Fed does not make predictions. It makes forecasts..." - Mustang19 | Post Points: 65
Secondly, I love how you go right ahead and ignore the point I was making - that name-calling is against the rules of this forum. You also ignored my other questions, which only leads me to the conclusion that you have no respect for the rules of this forum. That means you apparently think it's perfectly fine and dandy for people to hurl childish insults at each other in a forum that claims to be dedicated to intellectual discussion and debate. Am I missing anything here?
Third, I think it's hilarious that you apparently think I'm the one that needs to "grow up". Let me explain something to you: as far as I'm concerned, I'm very much grown up, thank you. Furthermore, I couldn't care less whether you think I need to "grow up" or not. I consider my response to have been mature.
Fourth, I also think it's hilarious that you apparently think I'm a hypocrite. According to you, it's hypocritical to report people for violating the rules of a forum that they don't own while preaching free speech. What does "free speech" mean to you? I'll tell you what it doesn't mean to me. It doesn't mean people are entitled to say whatever they want no matter whose property they're on. Do you understand?
Fifth, I don't give a flying fuck whether it's the internet. That makes no difference to me whatsoever.
Sixth, telling me to "grow some balls" is a waste of time IMHO. I already think I have balls a-plenty, and once again, I couldn't care less whether you think otherwise.
Are we clear? I sure as hell hope we are. In the meantime, and for whatever it's worth to you, I no longer have any respect for you whatsoever. I remember defending you against JJ's douchebaggery at least once, if not more than once, but now I'm thinking maybe that was a waste of time. Oh well. Now I just feel sorry for you.
*Sigh of relief (post-ejac)*
Me: blah blah blah
Me again: Wait wait wait "Are we clear? I sure as hell hope we are." Are you threatening me, kid? "I remember defending you against JJ's douchebaggery at least once" I didn't ask you to do that. Are you calling JJ a douchbag? Aren't you on about insulting people? "According to you, it's hypocritical to report people for violating the rules of a forum that they don't own while preaching free speech." Get a badge, then, kid. They aren't your rules. If the forum owner wants to discipline people because you killed yourself (for instance) due to someone calling you an "idiot" or a "moron" or a "pussy", then so be it. "Fifth, I don't give a flying fuck whether it's the internet. That makes no difference to me whatsoever." Uh oh! You aren't aposduh swear on the fowum. MOOOOMMMYYY this kid's using pwohibited langwage!! Jesus, kid. Be consistent.
Wait wait wait
"Are we clear? I sure as hell hope we are."
Are you threatening me, kid?
"I remember defending you against JJ's douchebaggery at least once"
I didn't ask you to do that.
Are you calling JJ a douchbag? Aren't you on about insulting people?
"According to you, it's hypocritical to report people for violating the rules of a forum that they don't own while preaching free speech."
Get a badge, then, kid. They aren't your rules. If the forum owner wants to discipline people because you killed yourself (for instance) due to someone calling you an "idiot" or a "moron" or a "pussy", then so be it.
"Fifth, I don't give a flying fuck whether it's the internet. That makes no difference to me whatsoever."
Uh oh! You aren't aposduh swear on the fowum. MOOOOMMMYYY this kid's using pwohibited langwage!!
Jesus, kid. Be consistent.
Does anyone else here tell on people when they see them sneaking candy into the theater? After all there are rules posted on the walls and the theater is private property?
"You're not supposed to bring outside food and drinks in."
"Um, do you work here?"
"...Mr. manager! Mr. manager!! This person is bringing in their own cookie dough bites, you can't do that!"
Thoughts on being a narc?
How "freedom loving" is it to run to the authorities when you are offended?
I shall act as the arbitrator.
Post a picture of your dick on the internet, and then we will see who has a longer dick.
The person with the longer internet dick wins.
Don't be shy now; the court needs as much info as possible.
Dick size is very important, especially on the internet.
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I think a guy using the facepalm as a calling card saying this in addition to the JJ thread in his sig is a little... confused? Insecure? But it's all drama. I mean, all most of the guys on this forum do is break things down to the most minor detail over and over and over again for the sole purpose of dick-measuring. Most things can be solved at the onset but look at all the papirius "discussions". There's no logic and they keep trying to find it anyway to assert superiority in whatever. So, I don't really get the issue, from anyone? Business as usual in the pomposity industry. Or whatever, that's how I see it.
Edit: hah! The dick measuring contest is obvious, beat me to it.
Clearly I struck a nerve with you, Aristophanes, so you decided to "up the ante" by publicly outing our private conversation. Too bad I'm not embarrassed. People can think what they want - I really don't care.
The keyboard is mightier than the gun.
Non parit potestas ipsius auctoritatem.
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Nip it in the bud! Nip it in the bud! "The lady doth protest too much, methinks..."
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But seriously, no one has any thoughts on narcing?
People just be on about assuming things without any real investigation?
HabbaBabba:I think a guy using the facepalm as a calling card saying this in addition to the JJ thread in his sig is a little... confused? Insecure? But it's all drama. I mean, all most of the guys on this forum do is break things down to the most minor detail over and over and over again for the sole purpose of dick-measuring. Most things can be solved at the onset but look at all the papirius "discussions". There's no logic and they keep trying to find it anyway to assert superiority in whatever. So, I don't really get the issue, from anyone? Business as usual in the pomposity industry. Or whatever, that's how I see it. Edit: hah! The dick measuring contest is obvious, beat me to it.
This might surprise you, but it's never my intention to get into a dick-measuring contest - neither online nor offline. My point in starting a private conversation with Aristophanes was to continue an exchange we started having in a forum thread that got locked. I just re-posted my last post to him in that thread, to start off with. But since it was a private conversation, and since I've been under the impression that private conversations aren't bound to as many rules as public forum discussions (after all, they're private), I wasn't as restrained in my use of language as I try to be in the public forum. If that's been a mistake on my part, so be it - I will gladly own up to it.
For real though, with the age of 4chan some years in, I'm a bit surprised people pay any attention to being a little rough on the internet. Good grief, reddit and youtube comments contain a derogatory term every two clean ones. Take away flaming from message boards and the internet is useless (except for porn).
Aha! Some sanity!
I can walk around town and give people the finger insulting fat people or retarded people and while i won't make friends, I can do it.
And that's the point!
haha "shutup you politically correct assholes!" "patting yourself on the back, self serving horseshit."
- eh, this one is only mildy related.
That's a very strange definition of "sanity", if you ask me.
Yeah, well, I didn't.
Oh well. I told you anyway.
Aren't you going to post the rest of our private conversation?
Sure
Autolykos: I'm responding to you here with the expectation that you'll post it publicly. My understanding was that private conversations weren't necessarily bound by the same rules as forum posts were bound by, but I could be wrong. If I am wrong, then I'll gladly stand corrected. Either way, I take full responsibility for what I've said. Now then... "Are you threatening me, kid?" Is that what it looks like to you? "I didn't ask you to do that." That's irrelevant. "Are you calling JJ a douchbag? Aren't you on about insulting people?" In the public forum, yes. As I mentioned above, I was under the impression that private conversations were different. I referred to "JJ's douchebaggery". For the record, I do think JJ acts like a douchebag at times. I'm sure he's already aware of that, even if I haven't used those exact words to describe his behavior in public. "Get a badge, then, kid. They aren't your rules. If the forum owner wants to discipline people because you killed yourself (for instance), then so be it." The point behind reporting posts is to bring them to the attention of the people who own/manage the forum. I thought you would've understood that already. "Uh oh! You aren't aposduh swear on the fowum. MOOOOMMMYYY this kid's using pwohibited langwage!! Jesus, kid. Be consistent." Mock alllllll you want. I couldn't care less. Like I said before, I've been under the impression that the rules for private conversations were looser than those for public forum posts around here. Certainly I've considered that to include profanity. Again, I could be wrong, and if so, I'll gladly own up to it. Maybe I should've expected you to publicly air our whole "dialogue". Oh well. Even with airing it publicly, neither my behavior nor my opinions will change one iota as a result - because I won't let them, and it's entirely up to me. But at this point, I certainly don't think I can trust you. After all, the point of airing a private conversation (which means there's at least some level of confidence attached to it) is usually to try to humiliate the other person(s) involved. Let me make myself clear: I do not feel humiliated. Hence if this is an attempt to humiliate me - and I see no reason to believe otherwise - then it's an utter failure. I could've told you that beforehand. Me: "Mock alllllll you want. I couldn't care less." Yet you keep coming back. Your actions betray your sentiment. Or so it would seem. Autolykos: What I meant, of course, is that your mockery won't affect me in the slightest. It won't make me feel or do any differently. So no, I don't think my actions betray my sentiment whatsoever. If I choose to respond, then I choose to respond. It's entirely up to me. Me: "What I meant, of course, is that your mockery won't affect me in the slightest. It won't make me feel or do any differently. So no, I don't think my actions betray my sentiment whatsoever. If I choose to respond, then I choose to respond. It's entirely up to me." hahahahahahaha do you want a cookie? "The Fed does not make predictions. It makes forecasts..." - Mustang19 | Post Points: 5
I'm responding to you here with the expectation that you'll post it publicly. My understanding was that private conversations weren't necessarily bound by the same rules as forum posts were bound by, but I could be wrong. If I am wrong, then I'll gladly stand corrected. Either way, I take full responsibility for what I've said.
Now then...
"Are you threatening me, kid?"
Is that what it looks like to you?
"I didn't ask you to do that."
That's irrelevant.
"Are you calling JJ a douchbag? Aren't you on about insulting people?"
In the public forum, yes. As I mentioned above, I was under the impression that private conversations were different.
I referred to "JJ's douchebaggery". For the record, I do think JJ acts like a douchebag at times. I'm sure he's already aware of that, even if I haven't used those exact words to describe his behavior in public.
"Get a badge, then, kid. They aren't your rules. If the forum owner wants to discipline people because you killed yourself (for instance), then so be it."
The point behind reporting posts is to bring them to the attention of the people who own/manage the forum. I thought you would've understood that already.
"Uh oh! You aren't aposduh swear on the fowum. MOOOOMMMYYY this kid's using pwohibited langwage!!
Jesus, kid. Be consistent."
Mock alllllll you want. I couldn't care less.
Like I said before, I've been under the impression that the rules for private conversations were looser than those for public forum posts around here. Certainly I've considered that to include profanity. Again, I could be wrong, and if so, I'll gladly own up to it.
Maybe I should've expected you to publicly air our whole "dialogue". Oh well. Even with airing it publicly, neither my behavior nor my opinions will change one iota as a result - because I won't let them, and it's entirely up to me. But at this point, I certainly don't think I can trust you. After all, the point of airing a private conversation (which means there's at least some level of confidence attached to it) is usually to try to humiliate the other person(s) involved. Let me make myself clear: I do not feel humiliated. Hence if this is an attempt to humiliate me - and I see no reason to believe otherwise - then it's an utter failure. I could've told you that beforehand.
Me: "Mock alllllll you want. I couldn't care less." Yet you keep coming back. Your actions betray your sentiment. Or so it would seem. Autolykos: What I meant, of course, is that your mockery won't affect me in the slightest. It won't make me feel or do any differently. So no, I don't think my actions betray my sentiment whatsoever. If I choose to respond, then I choose to respond. It's entirely up to me. Me: "What I meant, of course, is that your mockery won't affect me in the slightest. It won't make me feel or do any differently. So no, I don't think my actions betray my sentiment whatsoever. If I choose to respond, then I choose to respond. It's entirely up to me." hahahahahahaha do you want a cookie?
"Mock alllllll you want. I couldn't care less."
Yet you keep coming back. Your actions betray your sentiment. Or so it would seem.
Autolykos: What I meant, of course, is that your mockery won't affect me in the slightest. It won't make me feel or do any differently. So no, I don't think my actions betray my sentiment whatsoever. If I choose to respond, then I choose to respond. It's entirely up to me.
Me: "What I meant, of course, is that your mockery won't affect me in the slightest. It won't make me feel or do any differently. So no, I don't think my actions betray my sentiment whatsoever. If I choose to respond, then I choose to respond. It's entirely up to me." hahahahahahaha do you want a cookie?
"What I meant, of course, is that your mockery won't affect me in the slightest. It won't make me feel or do any differently. So no, I don't think my actions betray my sentiment whatsoever. If I choose to respond, then I choose to respond. It's entirely up to me."
hahahahahahaha
do you want a cookie?
I dunno. OP just sounds pointlessly defensive and combative for really dumb reasons.
I like how I am defensive for asking people if they respect narcs? Do you tell on people when you think they are smoking a joint on the street?
I am just curious as to how many people in here are narcs. Or, rather, think narcing is virtuous. Really.
If you saw someone entering a movie theater and bringing their own drinks inside would you attempt to stop them or tell an employee?
^^
If someone brought a drink, i wouldnt care.
What I find amusing is that I'm a moderator for a forum that probably gets 50 times the daily traffic this forum gets, and posts are rarely, if ever, reported for language, despite posts/topics where language and tone get further than anything that came up in the Szasz thread (mostly due to people from different countries having trouble communicating). So it was kind of cute to have someone report me for language that was pretty minor compared to what I might see on a daily basis, and I was more than happy to return the favor. I will say that I was very disappointed that the moderator locked and relegated the thread to the doldrums. As evidenced by the redux, the original topic had valuable content for a continued discussion, and there were plenty of ways that topic could've been modified so it could remain active.
Aristophanes: I like how I am defensive for asking people if they respect narcs? Do you tell on people when you think they are smoking a joint on the street? I am just curious as to how many people in here are narcs. Or, rather, think narcing is virtuous. Really.
I don't think narcing is really the issue here - it's the fact that on a forum about Thomas Szasz, Autolykos decided to mention that he reported some comments as offensive. He derailed the thread with his useless comment that could have easily been a pm; I will note, however, that he wasn't the only one who forced the thread to be shut down. Now, within the context of the thread, I can't ask the questions that I wanted to about Szasz's positions and his performance in a debate I wanted to link to (although I do plan to start a new thread).
On another note, the link in Autolykos' signature is over the top. John James is easily the most helpful member of this site, and I find his posts to edifying most of the time. Given his constant whining and "calling out" of other forum members, Autolykos is definitely a bully; a subtle one, but not as harmless as he appears (eg the locked forum).
Hey, yeah so, still can't buy a car from another country under 25 years old, or absinthe without the right kind wormwood in it, drive over 65 legally, or sell cigarettes on a billboard, but before we get to that, can we all just stop cussing?
^^^
People are very angry at the government.
If I were still a mod then I would have banned the OP by now.
For anyone who does not know the forum rules, click here
They have been there since the beginning. Note rule two, rule four and rule seven.
'Men do not change, they unmask themselves' - Germaine de Stael
do the rules of this forum even support the purpose of this website?
i know at least there have been debates about the merit of certain points such as respecting intellectual property, the website has posted articles about intellectual property not even existing. how much of the rules are conformed to usa law rather than debating the merit of usa law?
Just because some people at this site do not believe in the validity of copyright law does not mean that everyone else feels the same. Mises could be slapped with a cease and assist letter because someone posted copyright material on their site. See what I mean?
Autolykos: Fifth, I don't give a flying fuck whether it's the internet. That makes no difference to me whatsoever.
I highly suggest you reconsider this point. The method of communication has epistemological effects on a message. That is why degrees or certifications are put on paper as opposed to just spoken out loud once acquired. Not accounting for the characteristics of communication on the internet will only lead to frustration and the type of silliness we are witnessing at present.
jordan161:On another note, the link in Autolykos' signature is over the top. John James is easily the most helpful member of this site, and I find his posts to edifying most of the time. Given his constant whining and "calling out" of other forum members, Autolykos is definitely a bully; a subtle one, but not as harmless as he appears (eg the locked forum).
I don't think you've seen enough of JJ's behavior, and I think you've seen too little of my own.
Oh and let me add that, in the thread that was locked, I think myhumangetsme was the one who derailed it, not me.
National Acrobat:I highly suggest you reconsider this point. The method of communication has epistemological effects on a message. That is why degrees or certifications are put on paper as opposed to just spoken out loud once acquired. Not accounting for the characteristics of communication on the internet will only lead to frustration and the type of silliness we are witnessing at present.
... I'm not going to reconsider it. See Andrew Cain's first post.
That's right.
The purpose of this forum is foster intelligent comment and debate. Hurling abuse is not conducive to that which is obvious given the forum rules; if it is allowed it especially put off new members from joining particularly when they hold a heterodox (in the context of the forum) postion This is the code of the property owner LvMI. If you violate them they are well within their rights to turf them off your property- i.e. perma ban.
I would encourage courteous PMs but obviously they can't be modded and cause no immediate harm outside the participants so practicably the rules on PMs are laxer; however this does not mean that anything goes.
On the subject of the Szasz lock that was purely my decision. It turned into a serious bitch fest all round so I locked it. I do let some things slide, before people get the impression I'm a long lost relative of Uncle Joe, but personal attacks and abuse are not acceptable.
Aristophanes,
If you have a problem with another member PM a mod (given who tends to be here these days would be me, Muff or Vive) or stick it in the old Member Issues sections and deal with it there. Airing the dirty washing in public is not good form. Autolykos may seem to be highly strung sometimes but he's clearly wanting to wrok within the forum rules which you are deliberately violating and encouraging others to break. Consequently you've got a Three Day Temp Ban.
Autolykos,
Please remove your a Request to John James. It gives a bad impression of you to others and since more modding is now taking place for the first time since Danny Sanchez ceased being active it is unnecessary.
As may be obvious this thread will now be locked too and also graveyarded (within a few days allowing the relevant members to read this post- threads like these do not give a good impression). Any problems with this PM, don't start a thread about it.
Now let's head over to the other thread and discuss Thomaz Szasz who I think is a very interesting theorist despite my limited knowledge of him.
The atoms tell the atoms so, for I never was or will but atoms forevermore be.
Yours sincerely,
Physiocrat