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Clayton replied on Wed, Nov 14 2012 1:02 PM

Indicators of suspicious behavior at hotels. Courtesy of our DHS.

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Wheylous replied on Wed, Nov 14 2012 1:39 PM

Sigh. You're alone responsible for the terror they will wreak.

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Clayton:

Indicators of suspicious behavior at hotels. Courtesy of our DHS.

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I am going to have a field day with this one.

(I hate PDFs that to do not allow me to copy text.) Anyway:

1) Why do the hotels need that info to complete the transaction?

2) Front desk requests in person: Your wife is in the room and you want to surprise her with room service. Outgoing call: You mean using a telephone to telephone someone?

3) Internet cafes: Your wife wants to get some sleep and the display from yout laptop will her awake; thus, she kicks you out of the room.

4) You don't want your crazy ex to find you.

5) The action at the black jack table is hotttt! So, you keep extending your stay.

6) You don't want housekeeping to steal your stuff. 

7) Little baggage? Your middle name is "baller" and feel like going to the Forums Shoppes at the Caesars Palace to buy a new wardrobe.

8) You are drunk at the night club in the hotel and accidentally walk into the janitor's closet.

9) You want to show off to your new girlfriend how much cash you carry when you go shopping at the Forum Shoppes.

10) You don't want to walk half a mile to elevator; so, you request a room next to it. You want a view of the water fountain show at the Bellagio. You don't want a view of the garage.

11) Your friend gets special discount rates at the hotel.

12)  You and your 10 buddies want to pre-game before hitting up the club.

13) This one is basically saying that suspicious behavior is suspicious behavior.

14) The lobby is half a mile out of the way from the elevator to your room. (Go to Vegas to see what I mean.)

15) You got lost or misread the signage in the parking garage.

16) See #13.

17) You have two rooms in Vegas--one southern part of the Strip and another in the northern part of the Strip. Depending on which club you hit up that night, that is where you are going to stay that night.

18) See #16.

19) You have a hooker in your room. Sorry.

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Wheylous replied on Wed, Nov 14 2012 2:54 PM

Rand Paul to push path to citizenship for illegal immigrants:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83737.html#ixzz2C8hegY4r

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government surveillence is on the rise says google

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Wheylous replied on Thu, Nov 15 2012 8:10 AM

Heh. I saw that one.

Wesker1982 on Reddit submitted this as evidence of Ron Paul's political leanings:

 

This counts imo

The government is incapable of doing what it's supposed to do. A job like the provision of security is something best left to private institutions. - Liberty Defined, page 288

and

If we reflect on how security works in the real world, we discover a huge and important role for private enterprise, and we find that the vast government apparatus of "national security" does not keep us safe so much as threaten our liberties by regarding the entire citizenry as a threat. Private security does not threaten our civil liberties, but government-provided security does. - Liberty Defined, page 255

Edit: It is also worth asking... how do the courts extract revenue if all security is provided by the market? Ron Paul wants all security provided by the market, so it follows that the courts are also voluntarily financed.

The defense function is the one reserved most jealously by the State. It is vital to the State’s existence, for its monopoly of force depends on its ability to exact taxes from the citizens. - Murray Rothbard

Edit 2:

A free people do not use force to mold person moral behavior, but a free people do entrust the management of social norms to the courts of taste and manners that arise spontaneously within civilization. - Liberty Defined, page 127

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Does anyone own a copy of Liberty Defined? If so, you should read these quotes in their original context. *facepalm*

This is the kind of stuff I have to put up with on an every day basis in the history department. It's these kind of out-of-context quotes that people use to believe what they want to believe -- kind of like how Hoover admitted to being a "liquidationist" in his memoirs. Nobody bothers to read the original sources.

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@QuisCustodiet

I own a copy and I don't see how they are out of context or mean anything other than exactly what they say. 

EDIT: This was my reply to Wheylous on reddit

 

Ok so the chapter that includes page number 288 is titled Terrorism. The part I quoted is the opening of a paragraph where all he does is praise private security. He says airlines are a good example of a place that "should be required to deal with their own security needs." In the same paragraph he goes on to say: "But when we leave the job to private companies, they handle it creatively. Think of how efficient an armored car company is in protecting the money in those trucks, and nobody has to worry about it. Or think of a jewelry store or a bank. They all have security issues but handle them through private means." And remember, in the opening of this paragraph he says the government is incapable of providing security. Then he goes on to praise private security. Was my quote here out of context? Not at all.

The quote from page 255 is from the chapter Security. What I posted was the whole paragraph from a chapter that does nothing but praise private security and condemn government security.

More praise for private security on page 152: "Even today with all our government excesses we have millions of people and businesses protected by private security."

Conscription deals with the issue of national defense. People are forced into slavery to defend the nation. Is this quote out of context too? "A free society, valued by the people, would be adequately defended by volunteers, without age, sex, or any other restrictions."

Even though it should be obvious now, because of his farewell speech and all the other times he has outright said that taxation is theft, I also came across this quote on page 210, where Ron Paul points out "the gun in the room": "It would never occur to them that theft and violence are used to carry out these policies". What he is talking about here is welfare funded by government (i.e. funded through taxation), again Ron Paul points out the theft and violence of taxation.

I also found in the Introduction, page X11: "To believe in liberty is not to believe in any particular social and economic outcome. It is to trust in the spontaneous order that emerges when the state does not intervene in human volition and human cooperation."

So again, it is clear that Ron Paul is an advocate of spontaneous order, and the quotes I provided earlier mean exactly what they say and are not out of context. TYVM and now I will be late for work!

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Bert replied on Thu, Nov 15 2012 10:40 AM

Don't know if this was posted somewhere on here...

Only about 6 minutes long.

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He's talking about the government being incapable of successfully fighting terrorism with the military on 288.

On 255 he's just noting that government cannot protect us from every immediate threat, hence door locks, security systems, etc. That's not an argument for privatizing the police. 

You can praise private protection without being in favor of privatizing all of it. That's a pretty big leap. 

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Oh, yeah. And on 127, he's not talking about judicial courts. Courts of tastes and manners is like the court of public opinion. 

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And the spontaneous order thing: plenty of non-anarchist libertarians support that. Dr. Paul doesn't want the government to interfere with human cooperation and free will. That doesn't mean he wants to get rid of the government. XD Maybe you feel government's existence at any level and in any form interferes with human cooperation and free will, but that is your opinion. It doesn't make it Dr. Paul's.

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Wheylous replied on Thu, Nov 15 2012 11:27 AM

Article about girl paralyzed by drunk driver:

http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/girl-paralyzed-drunk-driver-leaves-jury-tears-151145113--abc-news-topstories.html

What struck me was that there were no restitution charges.

So do we have a justice system or just a "put people in jail system"? Seriously?

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gotlucky replied on Thu, Nov 15 2012 12:22 PM

Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with cost of legislation

@Wheylous

You would think there would be some sort of outcry over this. I bet if you talked to the average person, they would just say that her family ought to sue this guy now too. They would want to see him in jail and pay money. But of course, how is he going to pay restitution if he is in jail?

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Bert replied on Thu, Nov 15 2012 12:38 PM

I first saw that when Papa John's brought it up, it's something I'm sort of actually leaving alone around non-Austrian friends (I don't know any Austrians, so yeah I'm being silent on this...)

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Could somebody please inform me of the clear-cut difference between liberalism and progressivism? Why is it that Cenk "Al Gore's Buttplug" Ugyur identifies as a "Progressivist" rather than a "Liberal."

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RagnarD replied on Thu, Nov 15 2012 2:58 PM

I'm not sure what the difference really is, the distinctionin my own mind is that a liberal holds liberal beliefs , while to a progressive liberalism is merely a progression towards socialism. 

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I believe "liberal" and "progressive" are interchangeable, if you're using the modern, American definition of "liberal." The term "progressive" probably came about to differentiate from classical liberals or some present day European "liberals" who are what we would call libertarian. For example, I think the libertarian leaning party in Australia is the "Liberal Democratic Party."

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It seems to me that all of these political ideological terms are messed up. Back in the 1700-1800s, we libertarians would have been known as liberals, and in the early 1900s, the majority of "progressives" were openly racist (Woodrow Wilson thought The Birth of a Nation was the greatest thing since sliced bread). Libertarian Socialists were originally the only ones to be referred to as "libertarian," and anarchists had just as much contempt for capitalism as communists (I forgot his name, but before he was executed, a guy who referred to himself as anarchist yelled as his last words "death to the bourgoisie! Long live Anarchy!" Nothing about the state or anything.)

It's enough to make one's mind collapse in on itself.

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I've been using LibertyHQ this week. I'll be sure to check it out when you get more articles on there.

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Anarchism is traditionally anticapitalist.

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I know.

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progressives stressed morals like drunkeness (where liberals today just stress their ideology as superior), stressed efficiency in government, and wanted a merit based bureaucracy rather than political appointments.  though todays liberals are just the offspring of progressivism so there isnt a clear cut difference 

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Ark de Grande:

Anarchism is traditionally anticapitalist.

 

Not really.

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Jargon replied on Thu, Nov 15 2012 7:41 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uPdkhMVdMQ&feature=g-high-u

This is awesome. G. Keith Smith is a hardcore libertarian and runs a blog at:

surgerycenterofoklahoma.tumblr.com

EDIT: Mises.org isn't letting me embed the video, so I'm just posting the link.

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Clayton replied on Thu, Nov 15 2012 7:50 PM

@Bert: Awesome vid. Could serve as a libertarian video-pamphlet.

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AJ replied on Thu, Nov 15 2012 9:53 PM
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This is the best libertarian video I've ever seen. Perfect for turning people on to anti-statism. Let's spread this puppy far and wide!
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How Occupy Wall Street Is Beating the Liberty Movement

Interesting question he raises about who is actually more statist between the Occupy Movement and Liberty Movement. At first glance, I think Occupy looks less statist, until, of course, you ask them what their solutions to the world's problems would be.

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if you are a fan of Andrew Napolitano, he was on tonights jon stewart. I tivoed it but havent seen it yet.

*wasnt good.  all they did was talk about the constitution.  pointless.  though it ran overtime so im going to check out the end online when it posts.

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Wheylous replied on Thu, Nov 15 2012 11:53 PM

Porco Rosso - yes really. Traditionally

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Clayton replied on Fri, Nov 16 2012 2:21 AM

Association of Licensed Automobile Manufacturers. Just learned that these guys shut down Ford in his early days. See, they had patented the idea of an automobile. Good god.

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gotlucky replied on Fri, Nov 16 2012 10:07 AM

 

Gaza conflict: Militant rocket targets Jerusalem

In case anyone was having a hard time finding the numbers of innocents killed on both sides, this article has some indication. I couldn't find anything about Palestinian innocents killed in others articles, only Israelis. There will probably be more accurate numbers in the future.

Twenty Palestinians and three Israelis have been killed since Wednesday.

Militants and civilians, including at least five children, were among the Palestinian dead, Palestinian officials said.

Two Israeli women and a man died when a rocket fired from Gaza hit a building in the southern town of Kiryat Malachi on Thursday, Israeli officials said.

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Bert replied on Fri, Nov 16 2012 10:52 AM

Pretty good Game of Thrones themed video on the food truck business in Chicago and the bureaucratic b/s they go through.

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Adam really tanked with this one. Check out the comments.

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should i go?

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What are you talking about?

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did my pic not post properly?

its a flyer that says "join the socialists!" and they have weekly meetings

**workign now?

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