Are You Happy Prop 37 Failed?

As a free market person, are you happy prop 37 failed?

no force used against companies to make them label gmo products.

or, do you realize the system is so messed up anyway, this could have helped consumers, until we can get rid of subsidies and government?

what are your thoughts on it?

(Prop 37 in California)

Any proposition that would give the State any kind of new authority or create new regulations is best voted down. Even if it might be considered beneficial to altruistic interests.

Even if we want the cancer gone, is it better to sever an artery that feeds a tumor or leave it be?

People are happy it passed.

I had to listen as the people sitting next to me during computer science high fived each other as new taxes were passed and government mandates were yayed.

Supporting mandatory GMO labeling in isolation is quite different from supporting mandatory GMO labeling under the assumption of a corporatist system with giant food companies and crowding out of private quality certification, not to mention an education system that destroys the reasoning ability of the general populace. Criticizing policy in isolation is a fool's errand and only leads to confusion and people concluding libertarians are misguidedly rigid ideologues who cannot see the forest for the trees.

an education system that destroys the reasoning ability of the general populace.

Then what would they care about a label that says GMO?

For all i know, GMO is just the same thing but grown in a different fertilizer, etc, etc.

Im not a scientistst.

GMO is just the same thing but grown in a different fertilizer

Ummmm, no.

Clayton -

At the very least, I think it's fraudulent for food made from GMOs to be labelled as "natural". GMOs are about as natural as the Hoover Dam.

There's a very basic distinction in the kinds of GMOs that is not being made and which I find infuriating - namely, whether the resultant GMO could have come about through natural processes (sexual combination) or not. For example, splicing spider genes into a goat - that could not have come about through any sexual combination. Hence, it is different than the kind of genetic alteration when you replace a damaged gene that leads to disease with an undamaged version of that gene or when you intentionally double a gene (something that can happen in sexual combination, even though it's a disorder of the genetic copying process), and so on.

Also, property rights are being violated willy nilly. It is an act of aggression, in my view, to create an artificial lifeform that could not have come about through natural processes, then allow that lifeform to reproduce with the property of others. For example, if Monsanto's wheat spores blow over onto the field of a farmer who is growing non-Monsanto wheat and some of the non-Monsanto wheat is converted into Monsanto wheat, I think that should be treated as a property-rights violation. If you're going to mess with Nature, then you need to keep that shit on your own property.

Also the patents on genetic codes are the height of absurdity. Wonders never cease.

Clayton -

+1 Clayton

@ Clayton -

Interesting. Makes me wonder how broad the scope of private property rights could actually be in terms of regulating commerce...

"At the very least, I think it's fraudulent for food made from GMOs to be labelled as "natural". GMOs are about as natural as the Hoover Dam."

good point.  it is fraud.

The law would have the same efficacy as the FDA. That is, it would create a false sense of safety... or do you really believe that the people enforcing this law would not be bribed into approving GMO products as "Natural"?

 EDIT: Omg! Look at the exemptions:

• unintentionally produced with genetically engineered material;
• made from animals fed or injected with genetically engineered material but not genetically engineered themselves;
• processed with or containing only small amounts of genetically engineered ingredients;
• administered for treatment of medical conditions;
• sold for immediate consumption such as in a restaurant;
• or alcoholic beverages.

Monsato: Well, we did not intend to genetically modify it.
Our protector, by the grace of God, the bureaucrat: Ok. Approved!

"the people enforcing this law would not be bribed into approving GMO products as "Natural"?"

that is a good point....and that is what I thought would probably happen if it did pass....

 

 

Clayton- I know what they are.

I was just mimicking someone who would not be educated on them. Why would they care about the label if they didnt know what it was in the first place?

Kelvin Silva:

Clayton- I know what they are.

I was just mimicking someone who would not be educated on them. Why would they care about the label if they didnt know what it was in the first place?

 

Hey.....are you Johnrocks on the hannity board?  I remember you.  I remember your picture.