What philosophers throughout the years (and contemporary ones) do you think promoted libertarianism through their thought, and what philosophers do you think were the most...anti-libertarian? I can think of some anti-libertarian thinkers (Marx, Hegel, Owen, Sartre, Zizek, blah blah blah).
Epicurus. The rest is just details.
Clayton -
Greek and Roman moral philosophy is boring. They swear off logic and technology. "You don't need to know. You just need to do (with stipulation after stipulation after stipulation about behavior)." You know Seneca said people shouldn't build houses. We should live in naturally worn holes in trees and caves. No fucking joke. That is how far they took it. "Live in accordance with nature."
Epicurus taken to an extreme gives us the Marquis de Sade.
Earlier today I was reading a fascinating book in Barnes and Noble by H. L. Mencken called "The Philosophy of Friedrich Nietzche."
I'm curious, where does Lacan fit in with regards to austro-libertarianism?
I recommend Mencken's Nietzsche book. It was the first book on the subject that I ever read. He clearly misrepresents some of Nietzsche's philosophy, but nonetheless it makes for a good "Nietzschean" philosophy fo sho.
I just purchased Mencken's book on Nietzsche (as well as the Albert Camus book "The Myth of Sisyphus"). I am really enjoying Mencken's overview of both Nietzsche's philosophy and the man himself - I've only had it for a short few days now, and I'm almost halfway done with it. Might I ask what parts of the philosophy Mencken misrepresents?
Also, The Myth of Sisyphus is great too. I'd recommend it to anyone experiencing an existential crisis due to the realization of the absurd. It's really obvious to see the correlation between existentialist thought and things like Taoism, or Buddhist worldview. Camus himself comes off as quite the libertarian, as do practically all of the other main existentialist thinkers. It's quite perplexing as to why so many of them have chosen leftist quasi-socialist paths.
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@ John Ess
I'm not familiar with Machiavelli's philosophy (I see that he was a humanist, which usually means that that person will endorse a political philosophy based on some form of social contract), but I always thought that The Prince was considered to be a work of literature that could appeal to libertarians in its depiction of how monarchies operate.
SkepticalMetal: Also, The Myth of Sisyphus is great too. I'd recommend it to anyone experiencing an existential crisis due to the realization of the absurd. It's really obvious to see the correlation between existentialist thought and things like Taoism, or Buddhist worldview. Camus himself comes off as quite the libertarian, as do practically all of the other main existentialist thinkers. It's quite perplexing as to why so many of them have chosen leftist quasi-socialist paths.
When you think about how much work sucks for most people, how you only have so much time on this planet, then it's easy to understand why you wouldn't want to waste time working at a crappy job. (Even if you're Buddhist or Hindu, believing in reincarnation, you won't end up back on this planet the way you are right now.) That's why the existentialists usually ended up socialists.
Doesn't socialism require some work?
I don't know how I missed this... what utter nonsense.
I think ill read kant after mes
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Was i supposed to read kant first?
Im sorry but i know nothing about philosophy....
HIs name just sounded interesting thats all.
Kant is one of the most difficult philsophers to read. First of all it is translated (German) and second he is so deep about everything. Everyone here knows you are 15 and it is funny that you think that you'll "just read Kant" after Rothbard (which is also funny). You need so much exposure to philosophy before you get to Kant. Ayn Rand doesn't know what the fuck she is talking about with philosophy, just ignore her inputs to that subject (in case you'd seen or considered it).
I'd start with the Greeks; Sophists, Plato and Aristotle. Then just follow the story of history (A.K.A. skip the Medieval Era or just read St. Augustine and/or St. Aquinas for the Catholic period. Then maybe Francis Bacon (induction), Descartes (knowing & rational epistemology), Locke (empiricism, epistemology) Hutcheson (Kant's moral lessons / Cristianized Stoicism), Hume (cognition, contra-induction, empiricism, epistemology), Smith (morals, economics), then Kant). And if you want to really understand Mises you need to understand Kant's First Critique (not an easy read) as it is the primer for metaphysical systems backed by a priori (pure) logic. Schopenhauer was just after Kant and fine tunes the Kantian perspective.
Kant is one of the most difficult philsophers to read.
He's a walk in the park compared to Hegel, that man makes my brain cry. Heidegger is no walk in the park either.
I think you got the flow of things pretty much spot on. That stated, thinking about doing a "bare bone" primary source run through on metaphysics:
When "starting with the Greeks - it may be best to just start with Aristotle's metaphysics and a couple Plato dialogues. That should cover the pre-socratic well enough. And don't you think Hume is good enough for a start? Smith, Hutchensen, Hobbes, and maybe even Bacon seems like a bit too much for a first run through.
And to the OP:
It is very hard to think about Kant without thinking about Hume
And anything after Kant probably gets a bit tricky for an introductory run through - maybe just suppliment with a basic logic text that covers syllogisms as well?
Oh, and avoid like the plague anybody who says things like "philosophy is nothing but", "all you need for philosophy is", or "don't read philosopher x because" etc, etc - if you're asking for help this person obviously isn't supplying any. Nobody likes a critic, particularly an amature one.
"As in a kaleidoscope, the constellation of forces operating in the system as a whole is ever changing." - Ludwig Lachmann
"When A Man Dies A World Goes Out of Existence" - GLS Shackle
I've haven't decided to jump into the Hegel pool. I've looked over his aesthetics and, obviously, history, but never endeavored to read them. I'm reading Schopenhauer now and he seems to think Hegel was an idiot (and Fichte). And he was jealous of Hegel's popularity when they taught simultaneously. No one relly went to listen to Schopenhauer.
The nazis got Heidegger...
I've long stayed away from going to far into metaphysics. I went through the analytic philosophy of action and Wittgenstein (and related, Ryle, Wiggins, Frege, Russell) last semester. It's all about epistemology, politics (ethics), and logic.
And don't you think Hume is good enough for a start? Smith, Hutchensen, Hobbes, and maybe even Bacon seems like a bit too much for a first run through.
Yeah, you don't need Hobbes. He is still talked about in international relations due to the Realist school, but there are like three famous lines from Leviathan that you can read and understand what he is getting at. He's not really in the same line of inquiry as Kant anyway.
I figured you cannot leave Descartes out and Hume is refuting Bacon and Descartes and building off of Locke, whom I left out. Kant grew up with Hutcheson and Kant's morals are, ultimately, built from Hutcheson's Christian Stoicism (moralism).
Kant's morals and ethics are so fucking specific it is maddening.