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SkepticalMetal the Anarcho-Capitalist vs. Wheylous the Marxist (Sideliner Thread)

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SkepticalMetal Posted: Fri, Dec 7 2012 8:34 PM

Wheylous, ready for another debate?

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I thought Wheylous was a 'progressive liberal'.

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I thought he was ancap.

 

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And the difference is...?

Just kidding. But yeah, I changed it, just to make Wheylous sound off hardcore-style. Practicing against a Marxist is a good way to go about things, because they are the hardest to debate.

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@ Daniel Muffinburg

In reality, yes, of course he is. But we held a fake debate once for me to practice in, where he posed as a progressive.

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Wheylous replied on Fri, Dec 7 2012 10:45 PM

You ready to debate again, son?

(spits out sprig of grass)

Bring it, you capitalist pig.

What topic?

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Bert replied on Fri, Dec 7 2012 11:16 PM

If y'all do it I suggest I no-outsider debate with a sidelines thread for the other users to make comments.

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Wheylous replied on Sat, Dec 8 2012 12:04 AM

Let's not do comments until we're some amount into the debate please. This is supposed to be a test AND a learning experience. It can't be an honest test if we have a whole forum ganging up on a Wheylous who is obviously poorly-read on leftist thought.

So I'd appreciate holding comments until after.

Anyway, SM, I await a topic.

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Sorry for the wait, I was just watching a few episodes of Season 4 of Rescue Me. *clears throat* Okay then, let's see...let's simply discuss whatever Marxist system of governance you advocate (whether it be Trotskyism, Stalinism, Juche, Maoism, DeLeonism, or whatever the heck) vs. my grand Anarcho-Capitalist society.

I'll leave it up to you to state which "variant" of Marxism you stand for.

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Wheylous is playing devil's advocate, I hope? 

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Bert replied on Sat, Dec 8 2012 8:31 AM

Well that's why I'd suggest a seperate thread JUST for the comments, because it won't intervene in the actual debate thread that's only between the two people posting.  (Example: debate Daniel Sanchez had with some other guy, had a sideline's thread, I don't feel like searching for it.)

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To be clear - I have very little knowledge of specific Marxist systems, so I cannot give them a fair run. I can only be a social democrat.

As to the sideline thread - the point is that I don't want him getting help.

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Social democrat? Eh, come on, that's no fun. It's easy being a Marxist, just make your case for why you think that we should have a dictatorship of the proletariat, and call me a dirty capitalist over and over again by saying that I should die by the hand of the working class in the revolution, shouting endless profanities at me.

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Yeah, that's not what I'm trying to do with my time :P

If you want that, then go talk to MissySocialist

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Ah, fine. Social democRAT it is. You start off.

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Neodoxy replied on Sat, Dec 8 2012 1:18 PM

"If you want that, then go talk to MissySocialist"

Worst suggestion ever for the worst debate ever.

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Excuse me Neodoxy?

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Neodoxy replied on Sat, Dec 8 2012 1:36 PM

Well 13 comments in no shots have been fired and then he tells you to go and debate a king troll.

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SM - once again, we need a topic.

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I already stated the topic. Your left-wing form of government based on social equality vs. my form of society based off of natural law/the NAP.

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I think that's a bit too broad, no?

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Let's just try it. I honestly don't care for circumscribing to just one particular theme.

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Who starts? I'll make this hell for you.

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Scary.

But you start.

EDIT

Geez, Neodoxy was right. We've already used up one page of the thread and the debate hasn't even begun.

DOUBLE EDIT

I mean seriously, if there's going to be a sideliner thread, this should be it. I suppose I'll change the title.

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Yeah, I'm starting a new thread.

Also, NO HELPING OF SM UNTIL IT'S OVER. YOU COULD JUST COMMENT ON PERFORMACE IN PERFORMANCE IN GENERAL, BUT NO HELP.

Pwease.

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Before I respond to your post in the other thread, I would like to ask if I directly respond to your remarks, or rather, state my position as you did as some kind of opening statement?

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Your choice. I'd do both.

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Okay, just posted my rebuttle. Now watch me bomb.

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Yourself?

Son, I've gotten straight As in a school only 40 miles away from Washington DC - I know my liberal stuff.

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You misunderstood me, I meant I probably did bad.

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You'd better watch out, you'd better not cry, 
You'd better not pout, I'm telling you why, 
Socialists are coming to town!

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Oh, yeah. I mean, Social Democrat Wheylous thinks so :P

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So what does sane Wheylous think?

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I technically agree with your arguments, I just think they could have been presented better and with more citations. (I will do a review of your argument at the end)

Also, remember that in a debate you could always have false information thrown at you. Make sure to check your opponent's facts!

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Debates always seem so fun-sounding and easy-peasy...until you're in them.

EDIT

By the way, I thought we were supposed to be debating the forms of government/society themselves. Not these little issues that I detest talking about.

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I made my opening statement. It's your jobs to steer the debate where you want it. I made my case for the government "I" wanted - essentially this but with smarter regulations and some more help for the poor.

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Seems like you should join the rank of Social Democrats, then ;)

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I'm writing an analysis

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Wheylous I think you're being a bit dodgy with the slavery topic.  He asked you to distinguish your system with slavery.  Why won't you?

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Why should I? Why in the world would it have any relation to slavery? Do I waltz into the Large Hadron Collider and ask them how their models are any difference from slavery? I have no reason to expect my system to have any relation from slavery. It's like saying "please distininguish your dog from the color red." Um, what?

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