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Mises Believed in Theft

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triknighted posted on Fri, Dec 28 2012 8:45 PM

Learning more about Ludwig, and I realized that the ancap notion that all taxation is theft (not disagreeing with it, mind you) is inconsistent with the minarchism of Mises.

How do Mises fans rectify this? Sincerely curious. Is it as simple an answer as "he was wrong"?

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It's as simple as: he wasn't an anarcho-capitalist. Maybe philosophically he was an anarchist (somebody like Hoppe would point that out), but practically he was just a minarchist. There's no mandate that says we must agree with Mises on everything to be a fan of him.

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Queue Conza.

I think that it's hard to pinpoint exactly what Mises was. He clearly advocates for conscription, but at the same time you can interpret his work to imply infinite secession and anti-nationalism to the fullest extent of the term and his definition of government is clearly compatible with anarcho-capitalism. So overall it's hard to say. He's so minarchistic that he clearly does verge on anarcho-capitalism.

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Anenome replied on Fri, Dec 28 2012 11:45 PM

We deal with it by abandoning minarchism and being consistent, even if he was not. Many good things have been originated by people who were incredibly wrong on other issues and areas. Just look at Einstein, a socialist for god's sake.

Mises was a brilliant economist. His political theory didn't go far enough.

Autarchy: rule of the self by the self; the act of self ruling.
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Rothbard took it the next logical step. Mises is correct on virtually everything, but this is the one inconsistency (from our modern Rothbardian perspective, which was published only just a few years before his death). But once that further correction is made, everything makes sense within his own system.

For comparison: Herbert Spencer, J.B. Say, and Lysander Spooner supported strong copyright, which is totally inconsistent with the rest of their own economics and philosophy. CLEAN HANDS. Ignore it and replace it with what you know is correct, while keeping the other true contributions to economics, which is more than any other economist in history.

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Thelion nailed it. It's just like a band's music. You can be a fan of a particular band, but it doesn't mean you have to like every single song. There's always a bad song in there somewhere, but it doesn't make you not continue to be a fan.

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Wheylous replied on Sat, Dec 29 2012 11:44 AM

Because SM has read sooo much Mises ;)

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...What's that supposed to mean?

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Neodoxy replied on Sat, Dec 29 2012 12:11 PM

What do you think it's supposed to mean?

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Wheylous replied on Sat, Dec 29 2012 12:53 PM

 

sar·casm

  [sahr-kaz-uh m]  Show IPA
noun
1.
harsh or bitter derision or irony.
2.
a sharply ironical taunt; sneering or cutting remark

 

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I'm going to pull a F4M here by saying "And?"

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Its ok Skeptical, I havent read much Mises either. Its not a requirement in order to be a praxeologist.
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"And?"

And nothing.

 

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I'm not sure whoever said on here that I haven't read much Mises. It seems to be a myth that Wheylous enjoys utilizing for circulation.

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Learning more about Ludwig, and I realized that the ancap notion that all taxation is theft (not disagreeing with it, mind you) is inconsistent with the minarchism of Mises.

Two different approaches to morality; Mises was a utilitarian, Rothbard wasn't.

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