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liberty student Posted: Thu, Nov 6 2008 9:52 PM

This is how the statists and Marxists roll.

Soviet Subversion of the Free World Press - 1984
Nov 5, 2007 Yuri Bezmenov, a Russian born, KGB trained subverter tells about the influence of the Soviet Union on Western media and describes the s...

Highly recommended.  It's from 1984 but does a good job of explaining Marxist/Trotskyite attitudes on global revolution and their tactics.

I have a whole new perspective on environmentalism, socialism and dumbing down through public education.

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Rubén replied on Thu, Nov 6 2008 10:10 PM

liberty student:

This is how the statists and Marxists roll.

Soviet Subversion of the Free World Press - 1984
Nov 5, 2007 Yuri Bezmenov, a Russian born, KGB trained subverter tells about the influence of the Soviet Union on Western media and describes the s...

Highly recommended.  It's from 1984 but does a good job of explaining Marxist/Trotskyite attitudes on global revolution and their tactics.

I have a whole new perspective on environmentalism, socialism and dumbing down through public education.

I don't have the time to watch this, but just from the title it looks similar to the lobby performed by the Venezuelan government to CNN and other major international news media, which are responsible for all the misconceptions I realizer many people from this forum have about Venezuela, its people and their ideology.

Art transcends ideology.

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I really liked it because Bezmenov keeps referring to mystics and leftists as "useful idiots".  And that Marxists would be the first people shot in a Marxist revolution.

Although, one can watch this, and see where we are today with an Obama presidency, and be very scared for what has happened to liberty and freedom, and how it is under an institutional attack that can only be beat back with effective education and pure, rational truth.

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DanielMuff replied on Sun, Aug 16 2009 11:30 PM

bump

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Kakugo replied on Mon, Aug 17 2009 4:30 AM

In my opinion they just kicked in an open door. Even before the KGB and other Soviet agencies started seriously considering influencing the Western press it was already in the hands of Marxists, Trotskytes and the like. In Italy this is usually traced down to the years immediately after WWII when the country was on the verge of a civil war. Since having a Communist or Socialist party in charge was absolutely out of question and would have caused armed reaction by the US our politicians came to an agreement: the moderate Christian Democrats were to be left in power while the Communist party was handed over the mainstream press, the universities, the labor unions (Christian and Anarchical labor unions were very strong in pre-Fascist Italy) etc. This lasted until the '70s, when the Anni di Piombo (litterally Years of Lead, the terrorist season) ushered in the so-called Compromesso Storico (Historical Agreement), which allowed the Socialist and Social-Democrat parties to came to power together with the Christian democrats. The influence is still felt heavily and if the USSR spent money influencing our medias... well that's another point about Soviets wasting resources! I've already related how the owner of one of Italy's largest and most influential publishing houses (and incidentially very, very wealthy), Gian Giacomo Feltrinelli, was a member of left-wing terrorist group and died when a bomb he was planting malfunctioned.

On a related note: I've often heard that the USSR influenced and financed the German ecologist movement with the direct intention of crippling that country industrial base... does anyone have more about this?

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"Although, one can watch this, and see where we are today with an Obama presidency, and be very scared for what has happened to liberty and freedom, and how it is under an institutional attack that can only be beat back with effective education and pure, rational truth."

Unfortunately, socialists have always had a better handle of propaganda, populism and other such tactics that entice the general public without them even having to reason with or convince anyone about their ideas because they play on natural human reactions. The "New Left" is not composed of bearded, dirty revolutionaries but of Madison Avenue type politicians, billionaires and popular artists. This is why getting the message across thru reason is so hard to do, they´ve learned how to infiltrate the system (a la Gramsci) and use it quite efficaciously.

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Alice replied on Tue, Aug 18 2009 3:35 PM

In many ways, however, the soviet union was financed and otherwise supported by various american businesses and intellectuals.  the progressive state in america, during the first world war, was in many ways a direct inspiration for the various socialist revolutionary movements.

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Natalie replied on Wed, Aug 19 2009 12:11 PM

But you've got to admit, some of the US/West's actions played right into their hands (Vietnam in particular).

The biggest misconception of the Cold Wars that it was about capitalism vs. socialism while in fact the difference was only in the degree of socialism.

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wow, incredible material.

it makes you think... America could still lose the cold war....

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nirgrahamUK:

wow, incredible material.

it makes you think... America could still lose the cold war....

that's what I thought too.  It's as if the Soviet Union really didn't fall, but merely went underground subverting from as near the roots as possible (the battle of ideas, the useful idiots not even aware that they are advocating for communism while they think they are fighting against communism/socialism) around the world.

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nirgrahamUK:

wow, incredible material.

it makes you think... America could still lose the cold war....

The UK and Canada have already lost.

I remember when I first saw this, I was like "I have to share this with people" and then it got forgotten here, but Daniel (Three cheers for Danny) saved it.

 

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Natalie replied on Thu, Aug 20 2009 3:40 PM

Whoa, libertairans defend the US Empire of Evil Surprise

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America is a geographic entity, not political...

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wilderness:
that's what I thought too.  It's as if the Soviet Union really didn't fall, but merely went underground subverting from as near the roots as possible (the battle of ideas, the useful idiots not even aware that they are advocating for communism while they think they are fighting against communism/socialism) around the world.

My thoughts were more to the effect of "Damn, if the Soviets won, they'd at least shoot all the goddamn hippies, and after communism's inevitable economic collapse it would've been easier to rebuild. Instead they're now roaming free with no one rational to direct them, like some sort of Frankenstein monster".

 

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yoshimura replied on Fri, Aug 21 2009 6:22 PM

So the USSR was state capitalist as Yuri said?

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liberty student:

I have a whole new perspective on environmentalism, socialism and dumbing down through public education.

My views on those didn't change after watching it.  I started as a communist environmentalist during my school indoctrination.  I already knew from experience the commie psyche.

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Aragon replied on Sat, Aug 22 2009 2:59 AM

In a pretty new book Spies by Harvey Klehr and John Earl Haynes there is a great body of data conserning the infiltration of journalistic circles by the Soviet intelligence in the 1940s and 1950s. The number of people connected with the Soviet intelligence is quite substantial and including such people as George Seldes, I.F.Stone, Robert Allen, Albert Kahn and even Ernest Hemingway. Here is a lenghty quote about their conclusions about this phenomena:

The KGB recruited journalists in part for their access to inside information and sources on politics and policy, insights into personalities, and confidential and non-public information that never made it into published stories... by profession journalists ask questions and probe; what might seem intrusive or suspect if done by anyone else is their normal modus operandi. Consequently, the KGB often used journalists as talent spotters for persons who did have access to sensitive information and found them useful in gathering background information for evaluationg candidates for recruitment...

...That these journalists did less immediate damage to American interest than such government spies as a Alger Hiss or scientists like Theodore Hall should not diminish their importance to the KGB or the harm they inflicted on American society... They betrayed confidences and pursued political agendas while pretending to be professional journalists.
[Harvey&Klehr, 2009, pp. 145, 193]

In broader picture, if someone is interested in how Soviets infiltrated the Western institutions, I can warmly recommend Cry Havoc: The Great American Bring-down and How it happened by paleoconservative author Ralph de Toledano. It has a lot of information about how marxism is alive in american school system through teachings of the Frankfurt School funded by the big foundations such as Ford and Rockefeller.

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Natalie replied on Sat, Aug 22 2009 1:16 PM

Communist goals in 1963

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Natalie replied on Tue, Sep 1 2009 1:56 PM

More from Yuri

America is obviously a “stronger force” that Communism is unable to defeat. But it is possible to conquer this nation using the preconditions I have described, created by Americans themselves, and diverting America's attention away from these mortally dangerous preconditions. The situation is similar to a house, the owners of which have stored explosives and inflammable materials INSIDE. To destroy this house the enemy docs not have to intrude physically into it. It is enough to start a fire next door and wait till the wind blows in the right direction. Meanwhile the enemy may “throw in some great ideas” for the owners to argue about in order to take their attention off the actual fire: environmental protection, gay liberation or emancipation of house pets are the types of non-critical arguments that divert America's attention from the real danger. Smart people would notice the fire and remove the inflammable objects and materials BEFORE the house catches the fire. Useful idiots will keep arguing about whether it is constitutional or not to pay firefighters, or the equality of husband and wife in domestic chores (who should remove the combustibles), until the actual explosion blows their enfeebled brains all over the neighbourhood.

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