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Free Healthcare/Education a fundamental right.

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Cesar posted on Wed, Nov 19 2008 8:20 AM

Many years ago, a man took his case to the Supreme Court of the US. He case was against proper trial representation. Until that time if you could not afford a lawyer, you did not get one.

So.....how can a fundamental right be left to the market???

I am not in favor of either, private or public healthcare/education.

I am in favor of QUALITY healthcare and education for ALL. If we can have the greatest army, we can have the greatest healthcare system and best education.

How do we get there??...........I don’t care. But let's agree to make this..........a fundamental right.

 

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If you are forced to pay for wars anyways, and there is nothing you can do about it, why not pay a little bit more to save some of your countrymen???

How about I pay for neither, eh?

-Jon

Freedom of markets is positively correlated with the degree of evolution in any society...

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Cesar:
Would you have the guts to tell a dying person that free market is at work and free market trough supply/demand are sending him to his grave???

Would you tell a dying man that is he doing so because of his sedentary choices? If so, how is that any different than telling a non-dying man that his business went under because of lack of foresight? It may seem cruel, but truth is truth and holding back the truth is a terrible crime. Also, all economic transactions come at cost of Nature as nothing is a free lunch. TANSTAAFL isn't an opinion, Cesar, in any economic system.

"The power of liberty going forward is in decentralization.  Not in leaders, but in decentralized activism.  In a market process." -- liberty student

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Cesar:

 And when I am done readin Human Action

maybe we'll have more reasonable discussions with you.

Sometimes "majority" simply means that all the fools are on the same side

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Down here in Miami we have good Universities. I have never heard of anything even close to Austria.

Because it's not exactly something that curries favour with establishment academics, whose paycheck comes from... guess what.

Look man....dont get me wrong, so far I love this guy Mises, but I am tired of philosophy. I found about Austrian Economics because I knew something was wrong about our Monetary system. To me it was fraud and casino business, I just needed back up

Then steer clear of Austrian economics. We like our philosophy and take it seriously, from methodological concerns, down to ethical questions which preoccupy political theorists amongst us

As you can see it was real Economics that brought me to Austrian Economics. And when I am done readin Human Action and the other books I already bought I will only record in my brain REAL stuff like I have done so far, not philosophy.

This is "real" stuff. It just isn't stuff you like hearing.

Would you have the guts to tell a dying person that free market is at work and free market trough supply/demand are sending him to his grave???

Why should I? What "free market" is doing that? The non-existent one? The hampered one? No. I'd tell him to thank the government for it. In an actual free market, I'd tell him to get voluntary aid, like the Friendlies I mentioned. Would you have the guts to enslave me to the needs of various nondescript individuals, forging obligations to others I owe nothing to? Apparently yes. BTW, these are very philosophical questions. Funny, because you want none of that.

Would you even tell yourselve that. ???

That no one is my slave and nothing is my due (other than to be left alone) by nature? Yes.

They can bill me

Good.

 

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eliotn replied on Wed, Nov 19 2008 3:14 PM

Cesar:
Can you name Universities that circulates these books??? Offer degrees in Austrian Economics and stuff like that???

If you want to get Man, Economy, and State, use the search function on this website.  It is a long .pdf file.

I also found a copy through the library.

Schools are labour camps.

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You know, I like that people who are uneducated about AE find this site and ask questions. After all, at one time we all were in those shoes. But when the answer is given, why do so many insist on ignoring it? Of course we are speaking of philosophy, because it is philosophy that determines world view, and thus, the 'real world'. Sadly I feel that all the effort so many people have put into these posts has been a waste of time, Cesar has been indoctrinated by the system. Its so funny that these people chose to ignore the elephant in the room, refusing to believe that something so simple can be the answer. In nature, the simple answer is most always the correct one. AE and our philosophy demonstrates this, though Cesar will never get it.

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"I dont know. I think they believe without govt all their problems are solved because everything else is market.

Market is not the answer. It is only part of the answer. To make it better it has be less restrained, just laws, and no central bankers. But it is only part of the solution not the answer itselft................far from it."

 

I was talking about you. Really the government is the source of many problems that people experience today.

'Men do not change, they unmask themselves' - Germaine de Stael

 

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Cesar:
I think it is ok to share the cost of healthcare and education among all.

Why do you bother coming here if you're unwilling to read the replies people make to you?

Theft is theft, regardless of motives.

Peace

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