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Lew Rockwell: The Left, the Right and the State

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liberty student Posted: Mon, Feb 9 2009 1:51 AM

http://www.lewrockwell.com/podcast/?p=episode&name=2009-02-08_098_the_left_the_right_and_the_state.mp3

 

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Juan replied on Mon, Feb 9 2009 6:41 PM
Wow. They just keep repeating the monarchist stuff. I didn't get past 3:30...According to Rockwell "you're far better off with a monarch..."

February 17 - 1600 - Giordano Bruno is burnt alive by the catholic church.
Aquinas : "much more reason is there for heretics, as soon as they are convicted of heresy, to be not only excommunicated but even put to death."

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RogueMerc replied on Mon, Feb 9 2009 10:39 PM

I don't know if I can agree with the idea that we would be better off with a monarch.  There have been some kings who were downright tyrannical, perhaps never to the extreme of totalitarians, but certainly worse than those who govern western societies today.  Take the 'Sun King', Louis XIV of France for example, who felt that he was entitled to absolute power, or King John of England whose foul deeds inspired the Magna Carta.

Among the other horrible things about kings, they favored controlling the churches, while persecuting those who did not share the same religion.  Frankly, I don't remember the last time protestants and catholics shed each others blood in the streets.

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Stranger replied on Mon, Feb 9 2009 11:03 PM

RogueMerc:

I don't know if I can agree with the idea that we would be better off with a monarch.  There have been some kings who were downright tyrannical, perhaps never to the extreme of totalitarians, but certainly worse than those who govern western societies today.  Take the 'Sun King', Louis XIV of France for example, who felt that he was entitled to absolute power, or King John of England whose foul deeds inspired the Magna Carta.

Among the other horrible things about kings, they favored controlling the churches, while persecuting those who did not share the same religion.  Frankly, I don't remember the last time protestants and catholics shed each others blood in the streets.

I don't remember Louis XIV burning entire cities to the ground and starving their population, which the enlightened democrats of Britain and the USA did merrily in the 20th century.

The first genocide, let us never forget, was organized by the enlightened democrats who deposed Louis XVI and declared themselves the nation-state.

By the way if you don't remember Protestants and Catholics shedding each others' blood in the streets, you haven't paid much attention to Ireland.

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RogueMerc:

I don't know if I can agree with the idea that we would be better off with a monarch.  There have been some kings who were downright tyrannical, perhaps never to the extreme of totalitarians, but certainly worse than those who govern western societies today.  Take the 'Sun King', Louis XIV of France for example, who felt that he was entitled to absolute power, or King John of England whose foul deeds inspired the Magna Carta.

Among the other horrible things about kings, they favored controlling the churches, while persecuting those who did not share the same religion.  Frankly, I don't remember the last time protestants and catholics shed each others blood in the streets.

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the mass slaughter of the 20th century is incomprehensible to the human mind.  we simply can not grasp the totality of it.  hence when compaing monarchies to democracies you get people going "but the monarchies had wars!"  yes.  small wars between professional soliders.  Without the massive tax base that collectivism brings you simply can not raise an army and resources enough to devestate a continent.

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RogueMerc replied on Tue, Feb 10 2009 6:00 PM

RogueMerc:

I don't know if I can agree with the idea that we would be better off with a monarch.  There have been some kings who were downright tyrannical, perhaps never to the extreme of totalitarians, but certainly worse than those who govern western societies today.  Take the 'Sun King', Louis XIV of France for example, who felt that he was entitled to absolute power, or King John of England whose foul deeds inspired the Magna Carta.

Among the other horrible things about kings, they favored controlling the churches, while persecuting those who did not share the same religion.  Frankly, I don't remember the last time protestants and catholics shed each others blood in the streets.

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I don't remember Louis XIV burning entire cities to the ground and starving their population, which the enlightened democrats of Britain and the USA did merrily in the 20th century.

Maybe the USA during the Civil War, sure.  But the only other times where they even came close to doing those things would have been to other countries, like in Dresden, Germany or in Vietnam.  Despicable, sure.  But not even close to genocidal.

Besides, there were many other kings and nobles besides Louis XIV.  I suggest you read about the massive and deadly religious wars that took place in Europe after Martin Luther came on the scene.

Stranger:
The first genocide, let us never forget, was organized by the enlightened democrats who deposed Louis XVI and declared themselves the nation-state.

Haven't you read about how whole civilizations were wiped out during various wars in Medieval times under kings?

Stranger:
By the way if you don't remember Protestants and Catholics shedding each others' blood in the streets, you haven't paid much attention to Ireland.

That is really the exception rather than the rule.  Before the 20th century, it was far more common throughout the western world.

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