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Should a staunch Libertarian sign up for umemployment?

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Ragnar posted on Fri, Mar 6 2009 7:55 AM

I am really struggling whether to sign up for unemployment or not.  My company is doing a two week layoff in July and I would qualify for unemployment for a week of that.  In addition, my company has a nice plan to subsidize unemployment that would amount to $1100 in addition to the unemployment.  The problem is, you have to sign up for unemployment to get the company subsidy. 

I am vehemently opposed to unemployment benefits and resent the fact that money is taken from my check each month for unemployment "insurance".  I feel like I have earned the company benefit by being a productive member of my company, but really wish not to sign up for unemployment to get it.  I really don't need the money because my wife and I save for rainy days. 

Any advice from the free-thinking brains that inhabit this community would be much appreciated!

 

 

 

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I think you should sign up for it.

Having a political belief is one thing. Acting in your personal interests given the system you're in is another thing.

You may be opposed to the unemployment benefit system but you didn't get an opt out. You had to pay in so now you might as well claim on it as and when you need to.

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Ragnar:

The problem is, you have to sign up for unemployment to get the company subsidy. 

Sign up for the unemployment but do not cash the cheque that you get from the government. 

If it is direct deposit, just do not spend the money or give it back to the government. 

 


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Answered (Verified) Marko replied on Fri, Mar 6 2009 10:00 AM
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Sign up. Your little contribution to bankrupting the state.

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Do you drive on state roads? Do you drink communal water?

It is impossible avoid the "benefits" of government activities nowadays. Signing up for unemployment benefits is to take money from the government, but that money is already stolen and will not be returned to their rightful owners whatever you do.  But using the government to steal from others, that would be crossing the line. If you lobbied for higher taxes or for example new regulations that would harm your competitors, then I'd say that you're a thief and a thug who uses the government as knuckles.

It's not fascism when the government does it.

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Go for it.

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simply getting back what was stoeln from you is fine.  the alternative is to have it used for welfare and war.

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Let me put this another way.  Should a FED-member bank refrain from inflating while it is being pursued by all other banks, encouraged by the FED's policy?

The bank not only SHOULD inflate, but MUST inflate, else it will go bankrupt.

Unless you are actually resorting to or threatening violence, or VOTING for policies that do so, do whatever is in your best interest.  Libertarianism will die a quick death if libertarians refuse to survive in an unjust world.

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Adding to what everyone else said, take it.  It is better that libertarians survive than non-libertarians.

At most, I think only 5% of the adult population would need to stop cooperating to have real change.

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Answered (Verified) Juan replied on Fri, Mar 6 2009 12:53 PM
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Ask your company to give you the money directly. If they don't, tough luck. You say "I really don't need the money" so why get involved with the state ? This
Charles Anthony:
Sign up for the unemployment but do not cash the cheque that you get from the government.
also sounds sensible.

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I think you should sign up for it.

Having a political belief is one thing. Acting in your personal interests given the system you're in is another thing.

You may be opposed to the unemployment benefit system but you didn't get an opt out. You had to pay in so now you might as well claim on it as and when you need to.

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Ragnar:

The problem is, you have to sign up for unemployment to get the company subsidy. 

Sign up for the unemployment but do not cash the cheque that you get from the government. 

If it is direct deposit, just do not spend the money or give it back to the government. 

 


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Answered (Verified) Marko replied on Fri, Mar 6 2009 10:00 AM
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Sign up. Your little contribution to bankrupting the state.

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Do you drive on state roads? Do you drink communal water?

It is impossible avoid the "benefits" of government activities nowadays. Signing up for unemployment benefits is to take money from the government, but that money is already stolen and will not be returned to their rightful owners whatever you do.  But using the government to steal from others, that would be crossing the line. If you lobbied for higher taxes or for example new regulations that would harm your competitors, then I'd say that you're a thief and a thug who uses the government as knuckles.

It's not fascism when the government does it.

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Go for it.

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simply getting back what was stoeln from you is fine.  the alternative is to have it used for welfare and war.

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Let me put this another way.  Should a FED-member bank refrain from inflating while it is being pursued by all other banks, encouraged by the FED's policy?

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Unless you are actually resorting to or threatening violence, or VOTING for policies that do so, do whatever is in your best interest.  Libertarianism will die a quick death if libertarians refuse to survive in an unjust world.

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Adding to what everyone else said, take it.  It is better that libertarians survive than non-libertarians.

At most, I think only 5% of the adult population would need to stop cooperating to have real change.

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Answered (Verified) Juan replied on Fri, Mar 6 2009 12:53 PM
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Ask your company to give you the money directly. If they don't, tough luck. You say "I really don't need the money" so why get involved with the state ? This
Charles Anthony:
Sign up for the unemployment but do not cash the cheque that you get from the government.
also sounds sensible.

February 17 - 1600 - Giordano Bruno is burnt alive by the catholic church.
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I agree with those previously who suggested applying for the state unemployment check and then ripping it up.

In cashing a government unemployment check, you are not getting your stolen property back.  Unfortunately, the money you paid in taxes is gone.  Like pretty much all of the tax payments Americans make to the federal government, it probably went to paying the interest on the federal government's national debt.  In order for you to get that unemployment check money from the federal government, it will have to increase taxation on everyone else, hence the act of cashing the government unemployment check would be an invasion of your fellow citizens' property rights.

The state has indeed placed us in a difficult financial system under which to prosper, and this is indeed unfortunate.  But being complicit with the state in its acts of property invasion are not justified by the fact that we live in such a system.

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In order for you to get that unemployment check money from the federal government, it will have to increase taxation on everyone else, hence the act of cashing the government unemployment check would be an invasion of your fellow citizens' property rights.

this is not a a necessary truth. it forms the weak point in your argument. spending money which formerly was held in a government account is not an invasion of your fellow citizens property rights. taxing your fellolw citiziens is. by cashing a cash you are not taxing anyone.

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Why should he not?

And what if  someone is entering job market and never worked before? Should he starve?

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