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Most cliched response to less/no government arguments.

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eliotn Posted: Tue, Mar 24 2009 6:57 PM

Lets vote on the most cliched response to less/no government arguments (add your own):

"If there is no government, who would build the roads?"

"Love it or leave it, government is ok since you can leave the country."

Schools are labour camps.

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nameless replied on Tue, Mar 24 2009 7:08 PM

"But what about the poor?"

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BobT replied on Tue, Mar 24 2009 8:58 PM

eliotn:
"Love it or leave it, government is ok since you can leave the country."

God I hate this one.

When I say that no one should be forced to live under the government if they dont want to:

"So what is to stop someone from killing your family and then saying they dont have to follow any laws?"

 

The thing that makes me mad is that they always say these things smugly, as if they really believe we haven't considered these most basic questions in formulating our beliefs.  If they are genuinely curious then its one thing, but it often seems like people just think I am calling myself an anarchist just to seem "edgy" or something like that, and that I haven't actually put any thought into it.

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But the corporations will become too powerful.

Yes. McDonalds, Microsoft, Colgate, Honda, and Geico will send you to death camps and starve children.

do we get free cheezeburger in socielism?

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Nick. B replied on Wed, Mar 25 2009 7:06 AM

fezwhatley:

But the corporations will become too powerful.

Yes. McDonalds, Microsoft, Colgate, Honda, and Geico will send you to death camps and starve children.

What those people don't realise is that corporations wouldn't exist under AnCap, or at least would be take a form dramatically different then what exist today.

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Nick. B:
What those people don't realise is that corporations wouldn't exist under AnCap

Yes, they would.

Nick. B:
or at least would be take a form dramatically different then what exist today.

That's because what exists today can hardly be called corporations.

"You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows"

Bob Dylan

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Nick. B:
What those people don't realise is that corporations wouldn't exist under AnCap

Yes, they would.

Nick. B:
or at least would be take a form dramatically different then what exist today.

That's because what exists today can hardly be called corporations.

"You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows"

Bob Dylan

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Spideynw replied on Wed, Mar 25 2009 8:57 AM

eliotn:
"Love it or leave it, government is ok since you can leave the country."

I vote this one.

My response now is, "so you do not think the tyrant should just stop being a tyrant?"  Then they get pissed and say that I believe in chaos.

At most, I think only 5% of the adult population would need to stop cooperating to have real change.

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Justin D replied on Wed, Mar 25 2009 9:05 AM

But, people are happier in <insert socialized nation, France, Canada, Sweden etc.>

Do you want child labor?

We have to help the poor.

With out the <insert govt. agency/dept.> we would be poisoned/killed all the time, corporations just want profits and don't care what happens to people.

I don't like monopolies.

Only rich people can afford private schools.

I don't like barter.

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William replied on Wed, Mar 25 2009 9:22 AM

one of my favs is the whole "I'm a democrat /socialist at heart/ I hate capitalism but I don't really know much about economics"  yet they insist on having opinions on the matter.

"I am not an ego along with other egos, but the sole ego: I am unique. Hence my wants too are unique, and my deeds; in short, everything about me is unique" Max Stirner
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Justin D replied on Wed, Mar 25 2009 10:42 AM

Here is a statement made today from the resident(or at least most outspoken "progressive" on my car forum)

You can call it socialism all you want, i call it REAL economic growth, and REAL investments for REAL people.

I believe in capitalism, i wouldn't have the things i have without it, i wouldn't be able to live the type of life i do. However, i believe that govt. should invest in its most valuable assets, and those assets are not the top 5% of the wealthiest, those assets are not useless wars that cost trillions and 4,200 US lives and 150,000 innocent iraqi lives... those assets are right here at home with the middle class

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eliotn replied on Wed, Mar 25 2009 1:20 PM

Justin D:
Only rich people can afford private schools.

 

^WIN^

Schools are labour camps.

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eliotn:
"If there is no government, who would build the roads?"

hands down, every time. 

next, I usually get the military one --"they'll come over here and enslave us" --"enslave" isn't usually used but that's the sentiment.

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You're so naive.

"You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows"

Bob Dylan

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John Ess replied on Wed, Mar 25 2009 2:38 PM

Who would build the DMVs

Who will wiretap us and laugh at our phone sex

whose testicles could John Yoo squeeze

How would people know which little flags to wave

How will the children learn their pledge of allegiance

Who will crayon in the Abe Lincoln coloring books

Who will remember the proper way to remember WWII

How can you have currency without people's faces on it

 

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Andrew replied on Wed, Mar 25 2009 2:47 PM

"The rich and powerful will take over and form an extortion mob." ( This one really bugs me )

" So you want chaos then"

"Yes, (insert corrupt business/corporation) would run the country much better!!"

" If you had your way, we'd all be speaking German"

Democracy is nothing more than replacing bullets with ballots

 

If Pro is the opposite of Con. What is the opposite of Progress?

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'But without the state, there would be no property rights!'

Not sure how they come to that conclusion, but its a common repsonse I get from some paleocon friends of mine.

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It's not politically possible!

BobT:
eliotn:
"Love it or leave it, government is ok since you can leave the country."

God I hate this one.

When I say that no one should be forced to live under the government if they dont want to:

"So what is to stop someone from killing your family and then saying they dont have to follow any laws?"

 

The thing that makes me mad is that they always say these things smugly, as if they really believe we haven't considered these most basic questions in formulating our beliefs.  If they are genuinely curious then its one thing, but it often seems like people just think I am calling myself an anarchist just to seem "edgy" or something like that, and that I haven't actually put any thought into it.

 The answer to that, is the theme of Atlas Shrugged! Indeed, let's leave them...

It's not fascism when the government does it.

“We must spend now as an investment for the future.” - President Obama

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Spideynw:

eliotn:
"Love it or leave it, government is ok since you can leave the country."

I vote this one.

My response now is, "so you do not think the tyrant should just stop being a tyrant?"  Then they get pissed and say that I believe in chaos.

 Whenever anyone brings up the "chaos" word, please describe how many thousands of cells make up the "government" and its "public sector", and how many thousands of disparate aims they have, and how poorely they are lead, coordinated and feed-backed. The most chaotic organization in the history of mankind, is certainly the public sectors of governements today! It's a chronical "grab all you can get"-situation for all mini-popes with the right conenctions. Contrast that with how extremely smoothely unregulated capitalism has created global standards, and constantly accelerating productivity gains, in areas such as electronics.

It's not fascism when the government does it.

“We must spend now as an investment for the future.” - President Obama

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Corporations would still exist. And that's a good thing. imo corporations would eclipse the state in influence and provision of services. i image dispute resolution, schools, unemployment insurance etc would be run by corporations, and obviously much better than any socialist institution

do we get free cheezeburger in socielism?

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ama gi replied on Wed, Mar 25 2009 5:07 PM

corporations, or privately held firms, or mom-and-pops, or consumer co-ops, or worker-owned interprises, or all of the above

"As long as there are sovereign nations possessing great power, war is inevitable."

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"We had that already and it failed."

Extra points if they tack on something like: "just look at the current financial crisis" or mention the gilded age.

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Justin D replied on Wed, Mar 25 2009 9:06 PM

'them'- "Its because of deregulation"

me - "where/when was this deregulation?"

'them'- uhhhhhh

"Women will only 1/2 of what a man makes then"

"How will I get my mail?"

"Only a rich person could < insert pretty much anything>

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William replied on Wed, Mar 25 2009 9:25 PM

"But how will I get the ladies and look sophisticated if I am supporting the free market, I need to rage for social justice."

Ok that's not a quote but that is pretty much all I hear when anyone under 35 talks.

"I am not an ego along with other egos, but the sole ego: I am unique. Hence my wants too are unique, and my deeds; in short, everything about me is unique" Max Stirner
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Dondoolee:

"But how will I get the ladies and look sophisticated if I am supporting the free market, I need to rage for social justice."

Ok that's not a quote but that is pretty much all I hear when anyone under 35 talks.




I approve of this observation.  Yes

 

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Justin D replied on Wed, Mar 25 2009 10:44 PM

"Only the govt.can save the environment."

and heres another dinger over the fence from my car forums leading authority on intelligence-

After a few normal individuals explained distaste for the Obama/Geithner power grab on Bank seizures

"No kidding. I meen, de-regulation has been such a huge winner for us economically, how dare we move towards preventing another financial collapse.

Run free market! the americans trust you!! AIG has scored major brownie points, but nothing as uplifting and inspiring as lehman brothers, they were awsome."

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The Rev replied on Sat, Mar 28 2009 2:50 AM

"Somebody has to run the country"

is my favorite.

The Rev

Lifes a piece of shit, when you look at it

Life's a laugh and death's a joke, it's true

Just remember it's all a show, keep em laughing as you go

Just remember that the last laugh is on you

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What you propose is a dog-eat-dog world!

do we get free cheezeburger in socielism?

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eliotn replied on Sat, Mar 28 2009 8:24 AM

"Without government, it would be anarchy, which means chaos!"

Schools are labour camps.

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Justin D replied on Sun, Mar 29 2009 7:21 PM

Everybody would run red lights.

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"People wouldn't obey laws" LOL

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William replied on Sun, Mar 29 2009 9:12 PM

"But Europe is doing it"

"The bureaucracy ate my answer"

"Then how would I collect my welfare check"

"CSI is a government agency, if they canceld government wouldn't they have to cancel my favorite show too?"

"I am not an ego along with other egos, but the sole ego: I am unique. Hence my wants too are unique, and my deeds; in short, everything about me is unique" Max Stirner
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Solomon replied on Sun, Mar 29 2009 10:36 PM

"Who will tell us what food is safe to eat?"

"Who will decide what side of the road people drive on?"

"Who will make sure businesses don't make too much money?"

"Who will protect our freedoms?!"  Ick!

Diminishing Marginal Utility - IT'S THE LAW!

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Justin D replied on Mon, Mar 30 2009 9:39 AM

Who will buy all this red tape I have for sale?

Look at how great France is?

The Soviet Union just did it wrong, thats why.

 

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newcomer replied on Mon, Mar 30 2009 9:59 PM

fezwhatley:

But the corporations will become too powerful.

Yes. McDonalds, Microsoft, Colgate, Honda, and Geico will send you to death camps and starve children.

 

LOL!  Nice one!

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jdcoffey replied on Tue, Mar 31 2009 9:19 AM

I laughed out loud at that one as well.  I almost spit my water all over my computer when I tried to imagine such a scenario.

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Justin D:

The Soviet Union just did it wrong, thats why.

 

 

I love this one.  I've heard this numerous times too. Yes

"Do not put out the fire of the spirit." 1The 5:19
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jdcoffey replied on Tue, Mar 31 2009 9:32 AM

"There would be no banks because banks wouldn't make money."

"Everyone could just print an infinite amount of their own money."

"Everyone would be a drug addict and drive under the influence."

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Eric replied on Tue, Mar 31 2009 11:02 AM

I always get the good old "your system would only work if everybody were completely moral."

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i recommend consulting Pskapompos' recent posts

Where there is no property there is no justice; a proposition as certain as any demonstration in Euclid

Fools! not to see that what they madly desire would be a calamity to them as no hands but their own could bring

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