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camp_steveo Posted: Tue, Jun 16 2009 11:35 AM

Hi all,

I am very new to economics, and also new to debating politics.  I am just learning about Keynsian V Austrian.  I see truth in the Austrian school, and while Keynes has some valid ideas, the Keynesian school is flawed by human incompetence. 

My understanding is that Austrian school allows the market to be controlled by "the invisible hand".  Is that correct? 

I am in favor of a true free market.  How do we force the US federal govt to a shift in ideology away from Keynesian school? This is my biggest quesiton. 

OK, I look forward to sharing and learning with all.

~SC

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Hey Steve...

camp_steveo:
How do we force the US federal govt to a shift in ideology away from Keynesian school?

We cannot....

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Welcome to the group.

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Welcome to the group.

I bet he has a blog too....

Coffee

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Harry Felker:

I bet he has a blog too....

Coffee

 

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Harry Felker:

I bet he has a blog too....

Coffee

 

*Sigh*...you're an ass Broken Heart

 

You love it!!!!!!!

Are you now dreaming of becoming a Barbobot?

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Anarchist Cain:

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Lortabs kicked in... see you tomorrow

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Thanks for the inspiration...Confused

~SC

 

Hey Steve...

camp_steveo:
How do we force the US federal govt to a shift in ideology away from Keynesian school?

We cannot....

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camp_steveo:

Thanks for the inspiration...Confused

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Hey Steve...

camp_steveo:
How do we force the US federal govt to a shift in ideology away from Keynesian school?

We cannot....

Sorry dude, Keynesian Economics are important to Imperial Government....

We can force the federal government out... but that is it...

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Nitroadict replied on Wed, Jun 17 2009 11:35 AM

Anarchist Cain:

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Ha Ha!


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Spideynw replied on Wed, Jun 17 2009 11:47 AM

Welcome!

camp_steveo:
and while Keynes has some valid ideas,

Such as?

At most, I think only 5% of the adult population would need to stop cooperating to have real change.

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Such as what?  Are you saying that Keynes has no valid points whatsoever?  Please don't try to put words into my mouth either.  I am strictly for laisse fairre govt policy.

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Spideynw:

Welcome!

camp_steveo:
and while Keynes has some valid ideas,

Such as?

I personally think some of his quotes are fairly insightful, such as "In the long run, we are all dead."  It certainly seems to explains the fatalistic rationalizations his followers seem to employ.

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Spideynw replied on Wed, Jun 17 2009 2:04 PM

camp_steveo:

Such as what?  Are you saying that Keynes has no valid points whatsoever?  Please don't try to put words into my mouth either.  I am strictly for laisse fairre govt policy.

Wow, settle down cowboy.  I was just wondering what you were referring to, if anything in particular.

At most, I think only 5% of the adult population would need to stop cooperating to have real change.

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No problem. 

I debate in a liberal forum A LOT, and I may have developed a quick defensive posture.  No offense.

As for Keynes school, no.  I really had nothing specific in mind.  I just didn't want to come across as "hateful" to any Keynesians that may be lurking.

~SC

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Spideynw replied on Wed, Jun 17 2009 2:41 PM

camp_steveo:
No offense.

No offense taken.

I guess my pov (point of view) comes from the Mises.org economics quiz.  On all the questions, Mises is right, Keynes is wrong.  Also, Keynesian economists tend to believe that the economy can be modeled, and their models, as far as I know, always fail.

Do they have any valid points?  I don't really know, which I why I was asking.  I have not ran across an Austrian that really believes that they do.

Also, for the most part, I think you will find people here that are genuinely interested in discussing things.

At most, I think only 5% of the adult population would need to stop cooperating to have real change.

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Thank you for your reply, and I will keep that in mind.  I have a lot to learn before I can seriously debate in this forum, but I plan on sticking around and trying, so thanks again for your advice.

~SC

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