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Telpeurion Posted: Tue, Sep 22 2009 5:22 PM

COPS HALT DRUG BUST TO PLAY WII

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/36820.html

What starts out as another post about law enforcement abusing search warrants soon turns into a tirade against gamers, again! She attacks Wii Fit, which actually does function well as both a weight and exercise trainer, and calls it a "childish baby's toy". That must be worse than a baby's toy by itself! Sure a video game console is not going to help health connoisseur like De Coster get in shape, but the product (Wii Fit anyway) was never intended for persons such as her, it was for people who do not otherwise have the time, inclination, or money for expensive equipment and fitness centers. That is leaving aside that many physical rehabilitation clinics and hospitals use Wii Fit and other electronic systems in their programs... Hmmm, it must be because the doctors want to play while on the job! Truly, I cannot stress enough the disdain I feel when I read Karens' posts. One thing is for sure, I'd hate to grow up in her household. The only positive thing I can say is that at least she is not willing to impose her views on the rest of us... I think.


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You know when I saw that on LRC just now, I came over here to see if you posted about it like you did last time. Sure enough...

Whys it matter what she thinks? Is she not a fitness nut?  I dont think its surprising then that she disdains games and by extension, gamers.

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Not all gamers. Only adult gamers.

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You know when I saw that on LRC just now, I came over here to see if you posted about it like you did last time. Sure enough...

Whys it matter what she thinks? Is she not a fitness nut?  I dont think its surprising then that she disdains games and by extension, gamers.

It doesn't matter in the sense that I can avoid her if I so choose. However, in doing so I would only be doing myself a disservice as I think it is a good thing to know what other peoples' opinions are, if only for the fact that I can vocally oppose them. It is not really her views on video games, health, and fashion that have me riled up, it is her almost constant need to go off of her stated topic to take a jab at some non affiliated individual or group of individuals.

 

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No, she's right. Gaming is nothing but a gigantic time sink. If you have nothing better to do, then there is something wrong, especially if you spend a great deal of your time on gaming. I wasted so much time on games like World of Warcraft  due to the fact that my playtime helped to obscure underlying personal issues that I needed to address.

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No, she's right. Gaming is nothing but a gigantic time sink. If you have nothing better to do, then there is something wrong, especially if you spend a great deal of your time on gaming. I wasted so much time on games like World of Warcraft  due to the fact that my playtime helped to obscure underlying personal issues that I needed to address.

Word.  I love games, but there are hundreds of more productive things I can (and should) be doing.

I laughed when I read Karen's piece.

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filc replied on Tue, Sep 22 2009 6:45 PM

pwning nubs 4tw

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No, she's right. Gaming is nothing but a gigantic time sink. If you have nothing better to do, then there is something wrong, especially if you spend a great deal of your time on gaming. I wasted so much time on games like World of Warcraft  due to the fact that my playtime helped to obscure underlying personal issues that I needed to address.

Marginal utility! Anything can be a time sink. Anything. It is all up to each person. You can become addicted to anything, be it work, running around downtown Detroit (That means you DeCoster), movies, music, reading, and yes, video games! The question is, can someone play games all day without at least some kind of trade to keep their bellies full and electricity flowing? Sure there's the extreme case of 30 year olds living in their mother's basements, but that is an extreme, and their private problem. I am glad you solved your personal issues, but that was your issue with games, not with others'.

Gaming is recreation like anything else. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.

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No, she's right. Gaming is nothing but a gigantic time sink.

To me sitting on your ass and watching someone else play sports (without being the one playing or actually being at the game) is a waste of time.  It's all a matter of taste. I just hope Karen or someone else doesnt try and tell us what the 'libertarian' answer to leisure activities is, ala Rand.   Much as I might agree with Karen on some issues, I think she is a great example of whats wrong with LRC.  She comes across as nothing short of rude and arrogant, and she isnt the only one.  Is that how adults should speak?

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I visit LRC on a daily basis, and I enjoy much of the content that Lew provides. However, the cynicism and arrogance of some of the contributors is quite juvenile (similar to wasting time playing a video game). Perhaps the worst is Stephan Kinsella. He is constantly calling those people with whom he disagrees moronic. I find De Coster's commentary, most of the time, some of the best; but when she goes off on tangents such as this, I find it petty.

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I visit LRC on a daily basis, and I enjoy much of the content that Lew provides. However, the cynicism and arrogance of some of the contributors is quite juvenile (similar to wasting time playing a video game). Perhaps the worst is Stephan Kinsella. He is constantly calling those people with whom he disagrees moronic. I find De Coster's commentary, most of the time, some of the best; but when she goes off on tangents such as this, I find it petty.

Yeah DiLorenzo does it too.  His posts are frequently deleted.  I think after the Ron Paul movement the quality of the website went in the toilet, although his hits have gone way up since then so I suppose others would disagree.

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richie2044:
Perhaps the worst is Stephan Kinsella. He is constantly calling those people with whom he disagrees moronic.

Ah, go easy on Stephan.  He's trying his best.  I've had my run ins with him on some topics, but he's a good person.  And frankly, some people are morons.  Stick out tongue

I think you guys forget, these people aren't naturals at media and public relations.  They are not necessarily doing what they are doing because they are the best in the field, but that they carried torches through dark times when libertarian populism was still a long way off.  They do it, because there was no one else to do it.  I don't think too many people have become wealthy posting at LRC.

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sicsempertyrannis:
Yeah DiLorenzo does it too.

Mencken is an influence on DiLorenzo.  Have you ever read Mencken?  He was equivalent to the combined venom at LRC among all the contributors.

Man, the C4L is there is you guys want a website with sunshine and koolaid. Big Smile

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filc replied on Tue, Sep 22 2009 7:22 PM

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kefka888 replied on Tue, Sep 22 2009 7:23 PM

             Any form of recreation could be considered a giant time sink. Recreation itself is subjective based on the tastes of the individual. If you find yourself addicted to a game then you could have just as easily found yourself addicted to any other form of recreation such as drugs, sports, fitness. This has no bearing on those of us who have no underlying personal issues and enjoy playing a game or two in our spare time.

Also, Karen goes out of her way to bash people who play games constantly. I don't see how this helps her articles in any way. I actually enjoyed the  article linked in the op until I read the last paragraph. It could have been a great last paragraph denouncing the authorities for abuse.

What if the authorities were instead using an actual bowling alley on the premises, would this have made it ok?

I don't see how posting in a blog is any more productive than killing zombies with my friends, but maybe that is because I'm a publicly schooled american zombie.

I would also like to add that Karen seems to have an agenda against the Wii itself.

http://karendecoster.com/the-makers-of-wii-are-geniuses.html

"Of course you can’t lose weight playing Nintendo Wii, any more than you can lose weight watching “Dancing with the Stars!"

This is totally false. I have lost weight using a combination of the wii fit strength training, an elliptical and better watching my diet. I also know that the wii is being used in many rehabilitation clinics for both recreational and therapeutic purposes.

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Man, the C4L is there is you guys want a website with sunshine and koolaid. Big Smile

No, but LRC didnt used to be so damned nasty and childish.

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filc replied on Tue, Sep 22 2009 7:31 PM

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FF3 = best rpg of all time. Big Smile

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Oh, I certainly didn't mean to insult anybody or pass judgement on what someone chooses to do in his free time. "To each his own" ya know? I probably wouldn't have posted if I didn't quit WoW just a couple weeks ago. Sitting down and realizing I had 3 80's  and 3 characters in their 70's was a shocker.

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DarkCatalyst:
Sitting down and realizing I had 3 80's  and 3 characters in their 70's was a shocker.

Sell them.  My sister knows a guy who plays WOW with bots, and sells the high level characters on ebay.  He drives a $xxx,xxx sports car.  lol

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Saan replied on Tue, Sep 22 2009 8:13 PM

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No, but LRC didnt used to be so damned nasty and childish.

Agreed except for the childish part.  It has gotten way more inflammatory.  I don't think this is bad though, I would call it good timing.

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kefka888 replied on Tue, Sep 22 2009 8:14 PM

Yeah, the thing about mmo's is that they are designed to keep you playing as long as possible and really do a number on perfectionists who HAVE to complete EVERYTHING.

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richie2044:

I visit LRC on a daily basis, and I enjoy much of the content that Lew provides. However, the cynicism and arrogance of some of the contributors is quite juvenile (similar to wasting time playing a video game). Perhaps the worst is Stephan Kinsella. He is constantly calling those people with whom he disagrees moronic. I find De Coster's commentary, most of the time, some of the best; but when she goes off on tangents such as this, I find it petty.

Kinsella has actually called people morons on LRC? Sources?

sicsempertyrannis:

richie2044:

I visit LRC on a daily basis, and I enjoy much of the content that Lew provides. However, the cynicism and arrogance of some of the contributors is quite juvenile (similar to wasting time playing a video game). Perhaps the worst is Stephan Kinsella. He is constantly calling those people with whom he disagrees moronic. I find De Coster's commentary, most of the time, some of the best; but when she goes off on tangents such as this, I find it petty.

Yeah DiLorenzo does it too.  His posts are frequently deleted.  I think after the Ron Paul movement the quality of the website went in the toilet, although his hits have gone way up since then so I suppose others would disagree.

Example please?

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sicsempertyrannis:
Yeah DiLorenzo does it too.

Mencken is an influence on DiLorenzo.  Have you ever read Mencken?  He was equivalent to the combined venom at LRC among all the contributors.

Man, the C4L is there is you guys want a website with sunshine and koolaid. Big Smile

On the other hand, if they want to see belittling and insults and so on that are worse than LRC, they should try the socialist/commie/Marists websites. Lol.

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DarkCatalyst:
Oh, I certainly didn't mean to insult anybody or pass judgement on what someone chooses to do in his free time. "To each his own" ya know? I probably wouldn't have posted if I didn't quit WoW just a couple weeks ago. Sitting down and realizing I had 3 80's  and 3 characters in their 70's was a shocker.

I have 2 80's, 3 in the 70's, and 3 in the 60's. I 'quit' not too long ago too; Lasted almost three months, until I realized that I missed it. The key is to play in moderation imo. Wink

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Daniel:

Example please?

You want me to find a deleted blog post?  I dont recall dates but its happened a couple times this year. I will see an entry that is 'next' in the blog, click on it, and its not there.  Using google to search for the blog entry (the cache wont show the whole post) I can see that nearly all were his posts.  There was another post that wasnt his (dont recall whos) that had some 9/11 Truther stuff.  Usually the DiLorenzo posts that are deleted seen to be him shooting off about some one, calling them names.

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Sorry, but I really don't care what she thinks about what I should be doing with my time. If she doesn't like games, so be it. None of her business what other people do with their time, whether it's "productive" in her estimation or not. As if we live only to produce. Must be some bizarre Calvinist mentality.

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Conza88 replied on Tue, Sep 22 2009 8:49 PM

Ron Paul is for self-government when compared to the Constitution. He's an anarcho-capitalist. Proof.
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Jon Irenicus:
As if we live only to produce. Must be some bizarre Calvinist mentality.

That's sorta funny, because sometimes I get the vibe from Gary North that we only live to produce.  lol

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Jon Irenicus:
Sorry, but I really don't care what she thinks about what I should be doing with my time. If she doesn't like games, so be it. None of her business what other people do with their time, whether it's "productive" in her estimation or not. As if we live only to produce. Must be some bizarre Calvinist mentality.
Not only that, but what's it matter what her opinion is about gamers in the first place?

 

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Stephan Kinsella examples:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/027427.html

http://www.stephankinsella.com/2009/09/08/glenn-beck-is-a-moron-compare-him-to-judge-napolitano/

http://www.stephankinsella.com/2009/08/22/chartiers-conscience-of-an-anarchist/

http://www.stephankinsella.com/2009/08/04/drucker-is-a-moron/

http://www.stephankinsella.com/2009/07/09/labels/

http://www.stephankinsella.com/2009/07/05/statism-in-libertarian-thinking-2/

http://www.stephankinsella.com/2005/02/24/stupid-email-signatures-and-quote-marks/

 

Many more exist. In my opinion, these are tactics employed by statists, and most often by leftists. No, I do not want LRC to be one big happy, joy joy site; however, simply calling a person a moron does not win an argument. I prefer to see substantive content (with a little cynicism and sarcasm thrown in), not the ridiculous emotionalism that litters Marxist and right-wing blogs.

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I love LRC blogs but I wish they would stop with the name calling and 'cute' nicknames. (gunverment, obamessiah etc.). It really makes them look much less credible.

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xahrx replied on Wed, Sep 23 2009 8:49 AM

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Ah, go easy on Stephan.  He's trying his best.  I've had my run ins with him on some topics, but he's a good person.  And frankly, some people are morons.  Stick out tongue

An oft forgotten fact of the world.

Plus, I'm of the belief that polite debate is a waste of time, it's the militants who seem to get places.  Besides, how can you politely 'debate' anything with people who not only claim, for example, that our current financial crisis is due to a lack of regulation, but also that the banking industry is a free market?  It would take a year or more to list all the state and federal regulatory agencies with oversight and powers over banking and finance.  These people are either willfully or blissfully detached from reality to such a severe degree that a debate with a street schitzo as to which pope he's really talking to would be more productive.  Such people don't deserve politeness, especially after one or two polite attempts to bring them around to reality are made.  They deserve derrision and abuse, nothing more.

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Plus, I'm of the belief that polite debate is a waste of time, They deserve derrision and abuse, nothing more.

I see giving those kind of people abuse and whatnot is a waste of time also. I mean what does it accomplish besides possibly giving you an ego boost that you told someone who you were unable to communicate with that he's an idiot? Working on communication skills is a much better idea.

 

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Seph replied on Wed, Sep 23 2009 9:25 AM

I can only imagine what Kinsella and others go through when it comes to statist 'arguments'. Just from being around my friends and casually browsing the internet, I can easily find enough moronic posts/videos/comment to seriously challenge my sanity.  

Publishing books? Forget about it!

I can sympathize with those who don't have the patience to refute the same, obviously flawed statist nonsense 10x over, or for those who don't have the patience to reply civilly to those who clearly haven't read their books on the topic. 

Can you imagine how frustrated one could get? It doesnt necessarily excuse such lowbrow behavior, but I can't honestly say I would do any better in their position. 

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filc:

kefka888:

FF3 = best rpg of all time. Big Smile

Second or third best

But it's actually called FFVI

 

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Seph replied on Wed, Sep 23 2009 11:21 AM

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filc:

kefka888:

FF3 = best rpg of all time. Big Smile

Second or third best

But it's actually called FFVI

 

Anyone with two brain cells to rub together knows that FF7 is the bestWink

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Actually VIII is. VII does have a sexier antagonist though as far as I'm concerned (and I don't mean Jenova... )

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eliotn replied on Wed, Sep 23 2009 11:42 AM

Jon Irenicus:
Actually VIII is. VII does have a sexier antagonist though as far as I'm concerned (and I don't mean Jenova... )

LOL.

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filc replied on Wed, Sep 23 2009 11:52 AM

Seph:
Anyone with two brain cells to rub together knows that FF7 is the bestWink

Fired!

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6 is my favorite with 7 being a close second. I enjoyed 8  mostly because I was able to relate to the main character so strongly. Though I do think the game dragged on for too long. I never even finished it because I got bored somewhere in disc 3.

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